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LJ Jubner · #21 March 12th, 2009, 07:35 AM

In my mind Financial transparency means all the receipts are accounted for that includes TD compensation. My biggest gripe is the perception of benevolence of the TD's. If they do it for money I (and others) want to know how much they believe their efforts are worth. I personally would rather use the money for rewarding volunteers for helping to get the course ready. I also believe players who get sponsors should be rewarded with a percentage of said sponsorship.

Papa your McDonald's analogy is a little off. Yes I do get to chose which obese burger I want or if I want it at all (Personally Karl's kicks their ass) and Yes They don't have to show their books to the GP but Corporate McDonald's does have checks and balances at their level as well as evaluations, mystery shoppers etc for customer feedback that insures the consistency of product and service. Right now DG does not.

SAM the bums will not win this year! Manny is to big of a baby and Schmidt's arm is going to fall off .The only Dodger worth rooting for NOOOOOMAAAAAA has gone to the A's.

Here it is Sam If the Giants beat the Bums you will buy a Giants hat. If the bums win I will do the same Oh I meant buy a bums hat.

Scott · #22 March 12th, 2009, 08:44 AM

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My biggets grype is the preception of beneilence

Dude. Invest in a spell checker. They're free.

Sam · #23 March 12th, 2009, 08:46 AM

Use Firefox. It underlines every misspelled word.

Ol' Bob · #24 March 12th, 2009, 09:09 AM

Ain't it great what the involvement of money does for everything it touches? I love it that the World Baseball Classic uniforms and batting helmets have ads on them. Nobody can ever get enough money. Quality of the experience means nothing when you can make a buck on it, eh?

Sorry, I got off on the wrong planet and there seems to be little I can do about it except try to survive and enjoy what I have. Disc golf is becoming another microcosm of a great ignorance of missed potentials.

Why do we huck, anyway?

Sam · #25 March 12th, 2009, 09:16 AM

Bob, we huk for the love of hukking. We play tournaments for a different reason, though, and I see no reason why TDs should not make a buck for their time. It is no small feat to put together a tournament - especially a larger one - and I, for one, would rather see TDs compensated for their time rather than have them no longer organize for us.

LJ Jubner · #26 March 12th, 2009, 09:21 AM

I have google spell check but sometimes when I post it goes away. Urgh!!!

SMOKIN JOE · #27 March 12th, 2009, 09:23 AM

I don't believe the sport is big enough to pay the people running the events nor will it ever
i've helped out at pga events before and trust me mr. jacobsen isn't pocketing any money
local clubs should benifit not any one person
you should do it to promote the sport and to give back to the cummunity
what people need to ask is what can i do for the tournament not what the tournament is going to do for me,thats what makes you a volunteer ,someone willing to give time and or money to benfit a cause without any finiancial or monetary gain,volunteers need more of them

it is america and i don't have a problem with someone making a business out of it, i play for the trophy ,if theirs a trophy i want to win it ,payout it not a concern as long as it's not to unfair,i"ve got plenty of plastic

snap7times · #28 March 12th, 2009, 09:32 AM

So if a TD documents that they will take like oh say $2 per entry for TD compensation, does that satisfy those disgruntled nosy dg'ers needs to know of "financial transparency"?
Jubner, use spell check more carefully. It kinda kills what you saying when you spell Carl's "Karl's"...

Either way, TD's deserve compensation, they invest hundreds of hours of volunteer work preparing for the tournament and then invest a whole weekend 24/7 to running it and hoping everyone has a great time. Doing it for free at first is easy, but those who do it over and over get burned out fast if they get nothing out of it that they can use, like dead presidents or discs.
Example, I have been working on the Oregon Championships since last JUNE and it ain't even till the end of MAY of this year! That is almost one year! If I averaged only 2 hours a week *more like 5*, that would be 100 hours volunteer time without the entire weekend itself... for free? Maybe this time, but i couldn't do it again for free, I love doing it but for free, I can only do so much... same goes for every other TD out there... The love of the game only goes so far...

Sam · #29 March 12th, 2009, 09:53 AM

Really... if it comes down to the TD making a few bucks or us continually having freshmen TDs, I will take the former in a heartbeat. I have nothing against freshmen TDs, per se, but most people who have run more than one event will be quick to tell you that they made so many mistakes the first time out of sheer ignorance that one can only conclude that the quality of our tournaments will be reduced greatly.

While I was in Sylmar this past Monday, I spoke with Gary Sandoval about him and Steve Rico coming up to the Beaver State Fling this year. Gary told me that Steve had told him that the BSF is one of the top three tournaments in the world. I said nothing about the changes that are coming but I walked away worried that we would still get such glowing press after this year's event. Not that I think that Flash or Mittl will do anything other than a stellar job with this year's tournament but my concern is the same, nonetheless.

Magilla · #30 March 12th, 2009, 10:12 AM

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While I was in Sylmar this past Monday, I spoke with Gary Sandoval about him and Steve Rico

Sweet, My homies....

I said nothing about the changes that are coming but I walked away worried that we would still get such glowing press after this year's event. Not that I think that Flash or Mittl will do anything other than a stellar job with this year's tournament but my concern is the same, nonetheless.

I would have to say that unless Mt Hood ERUPTS, the BSF will go off with out a hitch........ I can't possibly concieve WHY you would think differently. BUT then again YOU are a Dodger Fan, NO true faith.

DODGERS SUCK, DODGERS SUCK, DODGERS SUCK

Sam · #31 March 12th, 2009, 10:21 AM

I am not worried about it going off without a hitch... but that is not the same thing as it being the same quality. The BSF has had a festival feel to it the last few years and I would hate to see anything happen to the vibe.

You think Barry Zero will return to his Oakland A's form this year? Or do you think the decrepit Randy Johnson will be the staff ace? I see sophomore blues for Timmy and imagine he will be shelled pretty hard this year. At least you have this moment right now where your team is still tied for first.

We're on for a buck a game again this year, right? Maybe you could bring me a 12 pack of Mirror Pond to the GNWO to compensate me for last year's bet?

NWDiscer · #32 March 12th, 2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Gary told me that Steve had told him that the BSF is one of the top three tournaments in the world. Not that I think that Flash or Mittl will do anything other than a stellar job with this year's tournament but my concern is the same, nonetheless.

It is up to ALL of us,to volunteer time in 1 way or another to pull this off and to keep the ball rolling for the Worlds bid......

If your playing and your better half is not, then maybe your better half could be a spotter or at the scoring table or be a starter or passing out player packs......

Come out to a work party or 3, then play, the better you know a course the better you will score....

Think about the 1st statement "TOP 3 IN THE WORLD"

The bar is set. The question is can this AREA keep it there??

i will hazard a guess at the other 2......"USDGC" and "Japan Open"......

The Fling will be here b4 we know it.....

Sam · #33 March 12th, 2009, 11:01 AM

Yeah... I was trying to wrap my brain around that statement, wondering which two were better. Maybe he meant USDGC and World's? Or Japan? I really have to ask him when I see him.

Magilla · #34 March 12th, 2009, 11:31 AM

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Yeah... I was trying to wrap my brain around that statement, wondering which two were better. Maybe he meant USDGC and World's? Or Japan? I really have to ask him when I see him.

Knowing Stevie, Id BET he was talking about the VENUE.......MILO.

He wouldnt notice the "Show" unless it was a total Cluster F***

Tim · #35 March 12th, 2009, 11:56 AM

While I appreciate all that volunteers do for the sport, I don't think it's right to expect everyone to do everything out of altruism. Money isn't the only way of thanking/supporting those who help the sport, but it is the most universally accepted method. That's part of the reason I fully support pay to play courses or try to leave a donation at private ones when I can. It's tough enough to try to wrangle up volunteers to do a couple hours of work on course maintenance, but to depend on peoples' good nature alone to provide quality events, well, that's probably contributed to the less than impressive state that DG is/has been in. It's not unheard of for a TD to actually lose money on a tournament, or having to throw some of their own money into the pool to meet sanctioning requirements.

When I ran TCO last year, I had to front (not donate, don't need confusion here) something to the tune of $1500 for all the supplies needed for the tournament. Not to mention, I and a few dedicated friends spent countless hours on the weekends and weekday afternoons working on the course to prep it, while other, less-dedicated friends got to go out and have fun playing other courses. And of course, there's all that good ol' stress that just grows exponentially leading up to the actual event. In the end, I think I actually lost a bit of money, but I write that off as rookie mistakes (erring on the side of caution with my disc orders). I'm just saying that having gone first hand through the trials and tribulations of TDing, I absolutely support giving back to those that step up to run events. Hell, even "thank yous" are rarer than they should be for most TDs. If someone wants to run a tournament on a purely volunteer basis, then that's awesome and I applaud them for doing that, but expecting or demanding that they do so, well, that just seems selfish.

Oh, just a couple other semi-off topic points, Firefox is awesome, nobody should use IE anymore.

And baseball sucks.

snap7times · #36 March 12th, 2009, 01:14 PM

Time watching baseball is time wasted not playing Disc Golf...

I am working on my company providing interpreters for the event to add a little communication efficiency to the event since it seems more than 5 Deaf dg'ers will go. Will have JEFF/MIKE work with them... *cross my fingers* Now that will definitely add to the overall show... *if you know how much interpreters cost per hour, you know this is HUGE!*

That being said. Anyone wanna PM me JEFF and MIKE's email addresses? so i dont have to wait till they actually check this?

Magilla · #37 March 12th, 2009, 01:27 PM

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*if you know how much interpreters cost per hour, you know this is HUGE!*

Check with the local churches, sometimes they have interpreters that Sign the "Services".
They MIGHT be willing to help out, I have used them in the past with a NorCal event I ran.

snap7times · #38 March 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM

Yeah that is an idea, however I want to use my company since they would include player pack items or at least information on different communication services available etc etc, 2 interpreters have already expressed interest... And my company has highest qualified interpreters, which means less awkward moments in mistranslation etc... I am very sure that it will happen, cuz the lady who deals with this stuff is nearby to my office so i can walk over and etc etc... Its a good opportunity for communication accessibility as well as presenting everyone with information how to communicate in the future etc etc... Thanks for the idea though.. When BSF advertises their event, it's nice to say "top qualified certified interpreters for the Deaf" provided...that will add another bar to be met by other tournaments that Deaf go to...

And it will be easier on Jeff and Mike to work this out...

JMan · #39 March 12th, 2009, 03:21 PM

OK, I gotta finally chime in...
Jub, I still can't figure out why are you so against someone making money running DG tournaments? And as for trasparency, do you demand to look through your employer's books? Doubtful. I can't figure out why some DGer's (you) feel that the running of tournaments should be a non-profit experience for everyone except the few players who win, place, or show. I'm a GD fan, should the concert in George be free since I've been a fan since the early 1970s, and should they have to show me their books to prove they are not making any money, but instead giving away what they could make to the rainbow family for making organic Thai food in the parking lot? More and more your arguments remind me of high school students who stand in front of a microwave complaining because they have to wait for 60 seconds, rather than a man of your years who understands the value of an hour of hard work. Now I've typed this for the last week and never press submit, but I must finally, because I really want to know why DG is different than ANY OTHER endeavor; and I want the Mariners to show me their books because I do believe they're wasting money on Griffey.

LJ Jubner · #40 March 12th, 2009, 05:34 PM

Lets get this straight I am NOT against TD's making money. I am opposed to those who "profess the love" but do it for the money.

Lets call my request an "end of the year" statement. Treat all of us DG like stock holders. cool graphs and stuff mission statements the whole shootin match in one easy to read report about the years events.

Tim I thought you and your team did a hell of a job as cherries.

Maybe the key is to involve newer players to be Assistant TD's get their feet wet and thick skin on and then let em rip. It seems to me that "bob" needs help with BSF. I know their are a lot of golfers out their who have ideas about how things should run try calling bob and asking him for "a couple a bites off his plate".