Originally Posted by jWest
Two of my good friends played the last monthly Ace Run and they both won in their respective divisions. What happened next has lead each of them believe everything I’ve ever told them about the guys who own and operate Chainbangerz. My friend took 1st in Open out of 6 people and received $80. Later we saw online that the winner from the prior month took home $100 out of just four players. Interestingly, someone had asked Keith what the payout was gonna be between rounds and he said he didn’t know yet, obviously that’s because it depends on who wins.
The other friend took first in Advanced and took his script promptly over to the shop to redeem. They didn’t have the bag straps he was looking for (no surprise there), so he browsed the used bin. Lo and behold there was one of his leopards (that I gave him as a gift, btw) with his PDGA number written across the top and his name and phone number on the bottom. He never once received a phone call. He tried to make a deal with the guy at the shop, surely they wouldn’t charge him $8 for his own used plastic. OH BUT THEY DID!! He ended up spending $8 of his script on a disc that had all of his info on it.
I do believe my friends have learned their lesson the hard way. I have quietly avoided supporting this company by not playing their tourneys or buying from their store, until now. I won’t be quiet anymore. We are sick of people without integrity running events that don’t better our sport. Chainbangerz fills the calendar with crap tourneys (who wants to ace run when ratings are on the line?) and somehow they were able to “take over” all control of tourneys at Lakewood and Seatac. Their biggest fuck up yet, killing CSI.
CSI (Cool Shoes Invitational, for those of you that don’t remember all the way back to last year) was gaining momentum and notoriety after 12 successful years. When I was down in Santa Cruz at worlds, Devan Owens and Will Schusterick told me they were “coming to Seattle to beat Dave at that stupid little C-tier he always wins.” That may not sound very complimentary to you, but trust me, it’s a big deal. We were going to have legit touring pros coming to play our 13th annual CSI……… If these guys weren’t so dim witted they could have capitalized on the strong foundation already built, they could have made a partnership, instead they selfishly stifled us. How much more are we going to lose to them? I say NO MORE!
“To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.” Abraham Lincoln
Let me first say this: I wish you the best of luck at worlds.
I mean who better to represent the state then you right? You play so well,and you have so much potential to be a positive role model for all the up and comers,male and female alike. More so female as we need more ladies on the course,and more importantly we need all to feel welcome into disc golf. So with this kind of position I would hope that you wouldn't abuse it.
For real, from an outside perspective how does if look when you write posts like this for Disc Golf as a whole?
Even though you have openly expressed on a public forum your hatred towards Chainbangerz we have been supportive of letting all our customers at both shops,and courses,know about your event, even though its on the same day as one of ours,and you have openly admitted you do not and will not support our events and our shop. I hope it fills up, it looks like it will and I hope plenty of money is raised as it is expensive to travel. I noticed allot of chainbanger team members are coming out to support as well as chainbanger supporters so thanks for all that guys.
As far as the $20 diference in payment for the L.A.R.C. here is why:
BTW,thats great that your curious.But I do think its funny how Aaron, or Mark seemed to be OK with this, or else I would have thought that they would express their concerns to me in person.
All of the Chainbanger Disc Golf Club events,and the Lakewood Ace Run Challenge events have been part of the Competition Endowment Program.
What this means is that the $10 non current PDGA member fees have the option to be waived as well as sanctioning fees. When I ran the first two there was some misunderstandings with PDGA and that was clearly my fault. So for the first two events that money went straight to payout,and came out of my pocket, but went right back into the charity I chose to receive. Discovering Open Spaces.
When the 3rd event came to be,those fees went right to the charity.
So......thats the $20 difference.
I have been lucky enough to raise $900 for the disc golf community so far using this program. It empowers non profits to raise funds that the PDGA normally charge TD's to run events.
Of that money raised I was going to ask the club if they felt we should donate some,if not all of it,to you. I'll put it up for vote and see how the the current members feel. I personally feel you could use the money. North Carolina is pretty far without support to travel,and can be spendy. Regardless of your opinions about me and Chainbangerz Disc Golf Shop and club.
Before you start talking about integrity for the sport, I would suggest getting all your facts straight. I think there is enough walls being built, where we need to start breaking them down. I feel that when you limt yourself or anyone else to chose sides,and have factions,it really stunts any kind of growth for us all. I try to see the big picture and hope that others who feel passionate enough about the growth,can as well.
But once again everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion.
For Lakewood and Seatac I felt that having strong written contracts in place empower the disc golf community .As well as add security for the longevity of disc golf courses in both parks. Something no one else has had,or thought of before. A contract stating that WE the Disc Golfers are in fact stakeholders instead of just some loose verbal agreement stating such. So that when an organization, like TAF,comes along that we can put our foot down and say NO! We are not supportive of loosing any more courses or holes for that matter,on any given course.
For any events,come talk to me.I am always open to any and all ideas. Especially new and fresh ones. I am in one or two places, my house or chainbangerz. oh occasionally you can find me on the courses,if I'm not working I may be throwing,which you are always welcome to join me.
As far as CSI goes, Jub is the only one to blame for that. His shady way of doing business has burnt any bridge with me, as well as most of the disc golf community.
Since this post is long enough I will address that elsewhere. For now I have to get back to calling people who have gotten discs turned in.
Thanks to all the supporters.