Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers
Kieth just read your post and I jumped your a$s when you told me that guy had a 1000 discs and was waiting for you to pay him. And have told you what you need to do if your going to continue with your way of getting disc's back to players and you said it was to much work and you don't have time.
So lets talk in the truth and not start out by lying saying you did not tell me about the guy with all the disc's.
And I don't know who he is, but Keith does so who is he keith
And john it is with keith he started this mess.
So lets all just stand around and watch instead of doing something to stop it from continuing to go on and on. smart
Heres the deal.First and foremost I don't really owe you any kind of explanation. But since your wrong about a few things I will at least correct you,and tell you,as well as everyone else, my side of the story. Also yeah
I get it! You have personal issues with this policy. Thats great,its not for everyone, just the 99%. So your the 1%. Maybe you should start an "Occupy Chainbangerz" ?
I did say I know this person,not personally, were not buddies. He'e a regular that plays disc golf & lives close by.
I NEVER said he has 1000 discs, you heard wrong. Its called selective hearing. You heard what you wanted, you were bummed your disc wasn't in our lost and found, and felt like that was enough reason to rant on the public forum & blow this waaaaay out of proportion.
Heres where the confusion started: I told you we have given out over $1000 in-store credit,and have not returned on that.
Then I said I know one guy who is fishing discs out,hell I know over 20 folks who fish discs out and 2 scuba divers.
This specific person IS calling people.
Other things were said, but those were the words I said that are relevant to this post/response.
Oddly enough as I am writing this I saw this "person" here today at Lakewood that you want to know so badly. I asked him about this whole ordeal,guess what? he tried to call you BUT...... you didn't put your number on your disc
. I actually told him about your rant here online and him,like many others, thinks your a d-bag. I am sure if he comes across your disc(s) again he may just leave it in the water, since your so against the L&F policy?
I heard your suggestions before and I will tell you now what I told you before, YOU DO IT.
Your right about one thing I did say, I don't have enough time to put out a webpage with everyones disc description on it and update it daily.
I think a phone call is plenty. For those who want their disc back they come and grab it back after they recieved a phone call.
Maybe you would prefer that I hand deliver every disc? maybe I will put on my santa suit as well?
I would have a DISClaimer though: "Please don't start any fires if you have lost a disc as I will be coming down the chimney with your lost disc".
Heres what you should do,since your so adamant about telling me what to do: why not start "Mark Kilmers way better lost & found policy"?maybe you could rent a store front,get a business license,pay taxes,rent,have a web site that has pictures of every disc that has been found with daily updates? (if you do this I want at least 10% for the idea)
I could give you King County Park Director's #?Its pretty easy to find online though, his name is Kevin Brown,you can call him and start a King County Park wide legislation that bans people from using golden retrievers inside King County Parks that have disc golf courses with water holes in them.
But lets say you REALLY want this disc back? and decided to actually spend weeks looking for it, but you found someone elses disc(s) while you were looking for yours? What then? Put it back in the water cause its not yours?
I really don't understand your logic, do you have any?
You think by me not giving people $2 in-store credit it is causing them to "hoard" them? Amazing, did Nate not get your precious disc you lost back to you? Didn't this guy go home and grab your disc for you? which BTW once again DIDN'T HAVE YOUR NUMBER ON IT!!!!!!!!!
Also what you are unaware of is that there are allot of people who turn in allot of discs and don't want $2, and guess what we still call the rightful owners and tell them there disc is here,and its free for them to pick it up.
Some people even call the person,tell them where it will be,and they drop off the disc.
So ultimetely our main goal is for people to have a place to come get there disc they lost. Like it or not its a service. Just like the waitress/waiter who brings you your food and clears your plates for you, but I am sure thats something "you can do better" as well right?
Other helpful suggestions: Stop throwing a disc that your gonna cry about loosing.
And lastly and most importantly get your facts straight before you try to call me out.
Maybe look more into the future instead of the past,with disc golf. As it is rapidly progressing wouldn't it make more sense to also make a conscience effort to look forward and at least try to change the way you think or act?
Don't we owe it to Disc Golf?
Or simply just offer up a better solution to what you see as a problem. And rather than complaining about it,actually do something about it?