Lost discs at lakewood (bangers)

[LJ Jubner]

Must not type!!!!!!

Keith is in over his head!

Why, you ask?
Because of the blowhards who convince him it's a worthy project or idea, volunteer to help and then NO SHOW. I seriously doubt he thought that when he started a DG Retail he was staring three other businesses as well. So when you know of a Keith project or event that gets scaled back or is slow to arrive It's because he is finding out he's (and a few helpers) are totally on their own.
Burning bridges with the few who WILL HELP, is not helping.

Bangerz the Business
Bangerz the Club (Curious if/where the two entities begin and end)
Landscaping at both Lakewood and the Tac (the Tac is in SERIOUS n need of the work party this Sun)
Non Profit D.O.S.

Yes Lakewood is off and running in it's current state but that's where all the (it seems) resources are being used. New Pads and Benches

SeaTac=Cinderella

Back to our program
Why would anyone want to collect lost and found?
Altruistic answer and the one easiest to swallow
"For the good of the sport"

Business Model
"Sure it looks good, but it gets people into the store and maybe they might buy something else"

The variable is the time, effort and SPACE it takes to organize and facilate their return. For some businesses it SOP to get rid of them as fast as possible hoping that people will purchase from them.

[cefire]

I think you accidentally typed...

[Discgolfingkilmers]

If you don't want to believe that keith himself said he knew someone had a 1000 discs and if you don't want to believe that the guy fishing told nate that he had a 1000 disc's then I do not know what to say to anyone. I do not know if I am seen as a liar but I would not think I have that reputation ?

And again for the slow people I never said anything about any lost disc's that have been turned in to bangers just the ones they know this guy has and are not doing anything about it.

Why can't keith tell the guy to stop fishing for profit ( he is there all the time)

And again this is a problem that he started with paying players to not give the disc back to the owner but to sell it to bangers and then he will charge you for it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.

When someone is holding disc's hostage for money it is not working

[Mr. Anderson]

Even if 100 people told the guy to stop looking for discs, would it matter?

Again, is it against the law to look for discs?

The program was started so more discs would find their way home. I believe it did its job. Right now their is no finders fee, and this disc fisher is still searching for discs. Your argument is with the fisher, not Keith.

[sillybizz]

This is obviously a politically motivated bashing based on the fact that Chainbangerz is doing things and has done things that other clique groups haven't accomplished because of infighting and laziness. Now the goal is to knock Chainbangerz down to your level because you are jealous of the success of Keith, the club, the shop, whatever. Like I said before this policy has been in place all over the country including Dalaiwood but no one ever whines about how Scott Papa "holds discs for ransom".

[Discgolfingkilmers]

Kieth just read your post and I jumped your a$s when you told me that guy had a 1000 discs and was waiting for you to pay him. And have told you what you need to do if your going to continue with your way of getting disc's back to players and you said it was to much work and you don't have time.
So lets talk in the truth and not start out by lying saying you did not tell me about the guy with all the disc's.
And I don't know who he is, but Keith does so who is he keith
And john it is with keith he started this mess.

So lets all just stand around and watch instead of doing something to stop it from continuing to go on and on. smart

[Mr. Anderson]

Besides asking the "fisher" to stop looking for discs and please return the ones he has to the rightful owners. (just try to enforce that)

PLEASE propose your solution.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Mr. Anderson

Again, is it against the law to look for discs?

No, but it is against the law to keep property if you can reasonably assume that it was lost and not abandoned. A name and phone number on the back is sufficient.

At least that's the case in Oregon. Not sure what you lawless hooligans up in Washington have going on.

[chainbanger'z]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

Kieth just read your post and I jumped your a$s when you told me that guy had a 1000 discs and was waiting for you to pay him. And have told you what you need to do if your going to continue with your way of getting disc's back to players and you said it was to much work and you don't have time.
So lets talk in the truth and not start out by lying saying you did not tell me about the guy with all the disc's.
And I don't know who he is, but Keith does so who is he keith
And john it is with keith he started this mess.

So lets all just stand around and watch instead of doing something to stop it from continuing to go on and on. smart

Mark,
Heres the deal.First and foremost I don't really owe you any kind of explanation. But since your wrong about a few things I will at least correct you,and tell you,as well as everyone else, my side of the story. Also yeah
I get it! You have personal issues with this policy. Thats great,its not for everyone, just the 99%. So your the 1%. Maybe you should start an "Occupy Chainbangerz" ?

I did say I know this person,not personally, were not buddies. He'e a regular that plays disc golf & lives close by.
I NEVER said he has 1000 discs, you heard wrong. Its called selective hearing. You heard what you wanted, you were bummed your disc wasn't in our lost and found, and felt like that was enough reason to rant on the public forum & blow this waaaaay out of proportion.

Heres where the confusion started: I told you we have given out over $1000 in-store credit,and have not returned on that.
Then I said I know one guy who is fishing discs out,hell I know over 20 folks who fish discs out and 2 scuba divers.
This specific person IS calling people.
Other things were said, but those were the words I said that are relevant to this post/response.

Oddly enough as I am writing this I saw this "person" here today at Lakewood that you want to know so badly. I asked him about this whole ordeal,guess what? he tried to call you BUT...... you didn't put your number on your disc. I actually told him about your rant here online and him,like many others, thinks your a d-bag. I am sure if he comes across your disc(s) again he may just leave it in the water, since your so against the L&F policy?
I heard your suggestions before and I will tell you now what I told you before, YOU DO IT.
Your right about one thing I did say, I don't have enough time to put out a webpage with everyones disc description on it and update it daily.
I think a phone call is plenty. For those who want their disc back they come and grab it back after they recieved a phone call.
Maybe you would prefer that I hand deliver every disc? maybe I will put on my santa suit as well?
I would have a DISClaimer though: "Please don't start any fires if you have lost a disc as I will be coming down the chimney with your lost disc".
Heres what you should do,since your so adamant about telling me what to do: why not start "Mark Kilmers way better lost & found policy"?maybe you could rent a store front,get a business license,pay taxes,rent,have a web site that has pictures of every disc that has been found with daily updates? (if you do this I want at least 10% for the idea)

I could give you King County Park Director's #?Its pretty easy to find online though, his name is Kevin Brown,you can call him and start a King County Park wide legislation that bans people from using golden retrievers inside King County Parks that have disc golf courses with water holes in them.

But lets say you REALLY want this disc back? and decided to actually spend weeks looking for it, but you found someone elses disc(s) while you were looking for yours? What then? Put it back in the water cause its not yours?
I really don't understand your logic, do you have any?
You think by me not giving people $2 in-store credit it is causing them to "hoard" them? Amazing, did Nate not get your precious disc you lost back to you? Didn't this guy go home and grab your disc for you? which BTW once again DIDN'T HAVE YOUR NUMBER ON IT!!!!!!!!!
Also what you are unaware of is that there are allot of people who turn in allot of discs and don't want $2, and guess what we still call the rightful owners and tell them there disc is here,and its free for them to pick it up.
Some people even call the person,tell them where it will be,and they drop off the disc.
So ultimetely our main goal is for people to have a place to come get there disc they lost. Like it or not its a service. Just like the waitress/waiter who brings you your food and clears your plates for you, but I am sure thats something "you can do better" as well right?
Other helpful suggestions: Stop throwing a disc that your gonna cry about loosing.
And lastly and most importantly get your facts straight before you try to call me out.
Maybe look more into the future instead of the past,with disc golf. As it is rapidly progressing wouldn't it make more sense to also make a conscience effort to look forward and at least try to change the way you think or act?
Don't we owe it to Disc Golf?
Or simply just offer up a better solution to what you see as a problem. And rather than complaining about it,actually do something about it?

[sillybizz]

[SPIDER-DAN]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

do you really want to open up that can of worms. Really!?!

[Toby Puttzinski]

Surely there's a better battle to pick... with all of the atrocities going on in the world, we're focusing our attention on things like breastfeeding in public and disc return policy. I don't hear anybody speaking out about the starving, disc-less children in third world countries...

I am definitely in favor of the lost disc policy & as a member of the club I support all that Keith has done for us, & don't really appreciate the 'lamebangerz' moniker. As a friend to parties on both sides of this discussion, I'd like to see less attacking and more 'constructive criticism'. Mark, from what I understand, you've done much for the sport, too, so I would commend that as well.

I imagine that the 1000 discs was a bit of an embellishment, & someone (including Nate) could've just suggested(disclaimer>assuming he didn't) that he call the #'s and offer to return the discs for a $2 reward. I will GLADLY pay $2 for any lost disc(let alone one of those $200 rocs- RU kid'n me), especially if it had to be fished out of a pond. Is it really that bad if the guy is making $20 an hour fishing our shanks out of the drink? (assuming the discs do in fact get returned) Also, if someone feels passionately enough about it &/or threw dozens of them in the lake, I assume the guy will be out there retrieving in the weeks to come.

[TYVEK]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

this was really innapropriate and a disrespectful jab. i really expect better from you silly.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by TYVEK

this was really inappropriate and a disrespectful jab. i really expect better from you silly.

It's more like a rabbit punch!!!! Tom as soon as you have half the time Mark does that will EARN you the right to criticize.

One thing that does bother me is the flaccid excuse
..."you did not put your phone number on it"

I don't put my number on my discs ( I do put jub on the top) because most everybody knows me. If they don't by just asking around (a little) someone would know how to get in touch with me.

L & F bounties is not the lamest thing though

[dan mc]

I have benifitted from the chainbangers lost and found policy on numerous occasions and for that i thank keith. One problem that has happenef in the past(no fault of chainbangers) at steili is people holding onto found plastic until they have enough to justify the trip to burien then cashing it in for new stuff for themselves. Onmore than one occasion i've had to drive up north to pick up plastic lost down here.

[Discgolfingkilmers]

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

willy wonka is my fav.
silly you don't know me, we have never meet and you do not know what I have done in my years of playing disc golf to help the sportexcept what you hear from other donkey holes
and keith I do know that I only have selective hearing when the wife is talking and you did say a 1000 and to give you the benefit of doubt to you a $1000 worth of discs is still 500 discs
I will say I don't have a solution for this problem but I do not need one keith does
I got a lot of disc's back that did not have my phone number on them so not sure it is required
and remember the day when you just gave the disc back to the guy when you saw at the course?
Rob dean and I for years collected lost disc's at steily and did not charged anyone we just made a list and posted it at the course and on thursdays we took them all to the course. It was not perfect by any means but it worked for us.
I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

Sorry, but hate speech isn't allowed, even if you direct it at your self. This ought to be an interesting exercise for the moderation team.

[blu666z]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

I hate mark kilmer too the guy is a fag

[sillybizz]

Yeah there's no homophobia in disc golf.

[Tim]

Wow, stay away from the scene for a few months and come back to see that that familiar vinegary odor is still pervasive.

Keep up the good work, Keith.