2012 Beaver State Fling Amateur Lottery Results & Wait List

[Denny]

Did you see the size of that wait list?
Looks like we got us some disc golfers in these parts

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Denny

Did you see the size of that wait list?

Yup. And it breaks my heart to see so many awesome people on it. This is the absolute worst part of the BSF for me. I'd take a work party any day.

[Amber]

i think we should make the ams play three days also. One round a day we could accomidate more players without to much hassle. AMS on one side pro's on the other. just a suggestion..

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Amber

i think we should make the ams play three days also. One round a day we could accomidate more players without to much hassle. AMS on one side pro's on the other. just a suggestion..

Its a LOT more complicated than that unfortunately. Trust me, we have looked at every possible angle, and there really is no "easy" solution.

[Amber]

i was just wondering,the tee times at the memorial seem to flow pretty good. not saying that yur way is not good! Mite be worth looking at though. there were alot of ams at that event and no conflicts that i had herd. And agian you are doing a great job i understand yur dalema i too hate to see all these good players sitting the side lines not being able to play, not just me. I think if we all want to play we need to step up as a community of golfers and make this even better for the future. And not just complain about how you and yours mite be getting it done. i would like to see the biggest field ever in oregon. I say shut up and put up to all of those who arn't!! with that being said,I am bummed that I'm not playing,and if you need my help let me know??

[Sam]

Very disappointed. Don't really have much else to say.

[CarlitosBonitos]

However I did some research on the Advanced Men’s field and found that there are 17 out of the 72 lottery winners who were also able to play last year, which equates to 23.6% returning players and when I compare that I am #90 out of 150 on the waitlist, the 17 spots that probably shouldn’t have gone to players who got to play last year, doesn’t really matter as the problem isn’t really in the hands of Jeff or anyone else and how they choose to run the entry system. It really boils down to supply and demand. The demand to play in the Beaver State Fling is very high! The supply without going to ridiculously demanding efforts on the part of the TD's is what it is and that is low. I propose an economics lesson wherein Cost is directly correlated to the point where supply intersects with demand. Perhaps raising entry fees considerably would not only raise additional funds to further the efforts of the BSF, but also to raise the Cash Payouts on the Pro Side to attract even more of the world’s best players. I must admit I am likely in favor of this as I have steady work and make a decent living and would be willing to pay (***read donate) a couple hundred dollars to compete in this event.

The only other solutions I can see are predicated on qualifiers, or some kind of earning your spot through disc golf related activities such as work party hour credits or community service activity credits or? Or? Or? Or I guess I will just shut up and hope that it won’t be 3 years in a row without playing in the BSF, or I will invest my $200 into proper putting lessons and qualify as a pro???

That being said, thanks to everyone involved for their efforts!

[mowens404]

The only other solutions I can see are predicated on qualifiers, or some kind of earning your spot through disc golf related activities such as work party hour credits or community service activity credits or? Or? Or? Or I guess I will just shut up and hope that it won’t be 3 years in a row without playing in the BSF, or I will invest my $200 into proper putting lessons and qualify as a pro???






I think that is a cool idea. You must prove your worth! work party's and fundraising along with ability. BUT... I also think that the amount of work these guys are doing and have done to put this on, gives them the right to leave it to a lottery and call it that. (but I got in, so I might be biased in the lottery's favor.) Thanks Jeff and Jeff! you guys rock!

[Scott]

Originally Posted by CarlitosBonitos

The only other solutions I can see are predicated on qualifiers, or some kind of earning your spot through disc golf related activities such as work party hour credits or community service activity credits or? Or?

There goes the chances of anyone from outside the Portland area.

[mowens404]

Originally Posted by Scott

There goes the chances of anyone from outside the Portland area.

good point

[Reichard]

Dam feriners filded ar ternimint! Orgun ternimints fer Orgunites!

[Reichard]

Originally Posted by Sam

Very disappointed. Don't really have much else to say.

Say that you reg'd for MPM as a fall-back plan? I hit every angle I could (short of relocating my brain from my lower abdominal area to the empty space above my shoulders) to try and increase my chances to play.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by CarlitosBonitos

However I did some research on the Advanced Men’s field and found that there are 17 out of the 72 lottery winners who were also able to play last year, which equates to 23.6% returning players and when I compare that I am #90 out of 150 on the waitlist, the 17 spots that probably shouldn’t have gone to players who got to play last year, doesn’t really matter as the problem isn’t really in the hands of Jeff or anyone else and how they choose to run the entry system. It really boils down to supply and demand. The demand to play in the Beaver State Fling is very high! The supply without going to ridiculously demanding efforts on the part of the TD's is what it is and that is low. I propose an economics lesson wherein Cost is directly correlated to the point where supply intersects with demand. Perhaps raising entry fees considerably would not only raise additional funds to further the efforts of the BSF, but also to raise the Cash Payouts on the Pro Side to attract even more of the world’s best players. I must admit I am likely in favor of this as I have steady work and make a decent living and would be willing to pay (***read donate) a couple hundred dollars to compete in this event.

The only other solutions I can see are predicated on qualifiers, or some kind of earning your spot through disc golf related activities such as work party hour credits or community service activity credits or? Or? Or? Or I guess I will just shut up and hope that it won’t be 3 years in a row without playing in the BSF, or I will invest my $200 into proper putting lessons and qualify as a pro???

That being said, thanks to everyone involved for their efforts!

Carl,

Thank you for your understanding. I will say one thing though, I will NEVER agree to using pricing to edge people out of this tourney. Yes, the price may have to go up at some point, but not with the intent of driving people away. This isn't about who has the fattest wallet... its about disc golf.

Jeff

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Sam

Very disappointed. Don't really have much else to say.

Feeling your pain..... can't stop crying. Want to meet at Whistlers the 16th of June to commiserate?

[Sam]

Thinking about it. That does sound like a good idea... Let's talk in two weeks.

[bryan_luoma]

Similar to the NT side, I wonder if tiered, ratings-based registration would be a workable solution to the overwhelming demand?

It seems that the same reasoning applies to the A-tier side.

[CarlitosBonitos]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Carl,

Thank you for your understanding. I will say one thing though, I will NEVER agree to using pricing to edge people out of this tourney. Yes, the price may have to go up at some point, but not with the intent of driving people away. This isn't about who has the fattest wallet... its about disc golf.

Jeff

I understand there is no perfect solution Jeffery, Not trying to say it would be fair, but I also think that this is a prestigious event and if you take a look at the calendar you will see many, many events that are very affordable. It is Disc golf and it is not supposed to cost a fortune to be able to play or compete, but this is the best annual tournament on the West Coast IMO. Anyways, I like the idea of giving preference to people who actually earn their spot through work parties and such much better as an alternative, and to speak to the point Scott brought up of this eliminating the crowd outside of Portland; I don’t live in Portland, I live an hour away. It would be up to me to decide how bad i want to play in the BSF and determine if I can put in the man hours that would equate to my tournament entry. If I don't than I have no one to blame but myself, and I certainly cannot blame a lottery. The Pro side of things should not be reserved for the local crowd only, it should be constructed in a manner that encourages the best players possible to compete with each other. The rest of us however have demonstrated far too great of a demand and therefore I think the fair thing to do is give preference to those who frequent the course and contribute to it, while encouraging these same people to frequent and contribute to the other courses supported by the powers at be with regards to the BSF. That is all and just discussing openly some ideas, not meant as an attack on the poor, geographically challenged, or any other group of peeps I may have left out

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by bryan_luoma

Similar to the NT side, I wonder if tiered, ratings-based registration would be a workable solution to the overwhelming demand?

It seems that the same reasoning applies to the A-tier side.

Bryan,

I had initially requested that exact thing last year and the PDGA declined to allow it. I can see both sides of this argument, but I think I may need to push them a little harder next year.

So, while that might work for MA1. What about all of the other divisions? Hell, we have 32 Advanced Masters and 15 Advanced Grandmasters on the wait list, and those divisions are only going to get bigger. Do we set ratings caps for everyone? See the can-o-worms you open up there?

How about this: If we continue to attract more and more female golfers (as we should) they will continue to pull slots from the men. What then? Imagine how pissed Amber will be when THAT happens!

I'm really just throwing these questions out there because they are real issues to be addressed, and the answers might look more obvious than they really are. Whatever the case we need to do something. Even the lottery, which is as fair as we could come up with, is far from perfect. Hell, the whole process seems borderline unmanageable. Well, I take that back. It can be managed... just not if I want to keep any friends.

Jeff

[*freeskier]

Originally Posted by Amber

not whining just wondering when i had talked to jeff earlier he had said 32. now we just need a couple of shadow cards

Yeah, like 50 of them.

[J Monette]

Jeff,

I think the only way to make all of us happy is to extend the number of tournament days to allow for more people to get in. It is the only major that is close to the Pacific NW. It is always going to have a large amount of people wanting to play in it. It can't be done in 2 days without going through this every year. I agree that the ratings requirements or the qualifiers would be unfair to folks not in the Portland area and it truly doesn't solve the problem. The problem is that disc golf is booming in the Pacific NW and people want to get in on the biggest and most fun tournament of the year. Speaking from the point of view of one of these boomers, who also has landed in the 90's on the waitlist for 2 years in a row, something has got to be done to increase the capacity of this venue!

Jeff