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Old April 5th, 2012, 04:20 PM
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As long as you don't register as a Pro or
i am registered as a pro; however, i have talked with multiple people, including Dave Feldberg (mr. prez), and i have been told that you can continue to play MA1 as long as you are not a Touring Pro. so not a touring pro and have not accepted cash... but please correct me if im wrong.

accept cash too late... ($20 at slosh lol )
im sure i could petition to get that removed. regardless, if i dont take cash, which i definitely plan on doing, at the GNO or the Aloha i will punch myself in the face.
Sheesh........Being a "Touring Pro" (or not) has NOTHING to do with the ability to play AM.

It all comes down to a players rating (The "prez" certianly should know that)

This document from pdga.com tells all..
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PlayersDivisionGrid_0.pdf

ANY Pro player.....with a rating below 970 can play in the Advanced division of an A tier and below.

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Old April 5th, 2012, 04:41 PM
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Sheesh........Being a "Touring Pro" (or not) has NOTHING to do with the ability to play AM.

It all comes down to a players rating (The "prez" certianly should know that)

This document from pdga.com tells all..
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PlayersDivisionGrid_0.pdf

ANY Pro player.....with a rating below 970 can play in the Advanced division of an A tier and below.

Well THAT was a bit late. But I guess that more info is better than NO info.

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Old April 5th, 2012, 05:19 PM
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Four divisions -
1. Men that play for money
2. Men that don't play for money
3. Women that play for money
4. Women that don't play for money

Who cares if you 'won' or not? Does it matter for your enjoyment of playing in a tournament? If so, you should probably just bag in a super low division!

For nearly all of my recent tournaments, I've had one division (no payout/low entry) - focus on enjoyment of the game rather than what prizes you won by playing...
On a loosely related note this post was the 500th one on this forum with the word bag in it!
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Old April 5th, 2012, 05:39 PM
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With the predominant format in tourneys in the USA ams are basically playing for money with all the stacks of plastic, bags, schwag etc in the events we hold. Perhaps if we had trophy only with player packs for all contestants, we could lessen the perceived bagger problem, ( a few names come to mind )

I've never played amateur but I can relate to the feeling that baggers are just being greedy instead of growing as golfers and moving up to challenge themselves. In my case I usually have to move up to a more difficult division because there is no one nearly as old as me playing locally. This year I've played in the OPEN, MASTERS, GRANDMASTERS divisions. I'm a senior grandmaster.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 05:44 PM
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With the predominant format in tourneys in the USA ams are basically playing for money with all the stacks of plastic, bags, schwag etc in the events we hold. Perhaps if we had trophy only with player packs for all contestants, we could lessen the perceived bagger problem, ( a few names come to mind )

I've never played amateur but I can relate to the feeling that baggers are just being greedy instead of growing as golfers and moving up to challenge themselves. In my case I usually have to move up to a more difficult division because there is no one nearly as old as me playing locally. This year I've played in the OPEN, MASTERS, GRANDMASTERS divisions. I'm a senior grandmaster.
I think many baggers play in lower divisions not for the want of more plastic, but for the need to feed the ego.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:33 PM
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the world is coming to a end......Sam has not been saying anything in this matter since Jeff said something
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Old April 5th, 2012, 06:40 PM
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Just watching the top spin...

I truthfully do not care that much and am more than used to people whining at me or about me. If people do not like me beating them in a division I am qualified to play in, they should probably practice more and get better so that they can keep up. Or move down. It makes no difference to me, really.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 07:09 PM
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If people do not like me beating them in a division I am qualified to play in, they should probably practice more and get better so that they can keep up. Or move down. It makes no difference to me, really.
Good advice Sam.

OK, that's it! Gawain and I are going to take the MA2 division by storm from now on...

On a serious note, this thread really makes me want to run a ratings-based event.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 07:25 PM
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On a serious note, this thread really makes me want to run a ratings-based event.

just for us old farts.....
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Old April 5th, 2012, 07:36 PM
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Hell, even I have beaten Sam, mano a mano.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 07:53 PM
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Good advice Sam.

OK, that's it! Gawain and I are going to take the MA2 division by storm from now on...

On a serious note, this thread really makes me want to run a ratings-based event.
Excuse my ignorance; can someone outline what a ratings-based event looks like?
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Old April 5th, 2012, 09:27 PM
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Excuse my ignorance; can someone outline what a ratings-based event looks like?
Pretty similar to a regular event, but everybody plays exactly where their rating says they should:

<900 = Rec
>900, <935 = INT
>935 = Adv

Etc....
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Old April 5th, 2012, 09:44 PM
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Just curious, but does anybody play disc golf for fun anymore?

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Old April 5th, 2012, 09:53 PM
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Just curious, but does anybody play disc golf for fun anymore?

Bob
I don't now about down there in Orygun, but we have a county ordinance here against having fun.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 10:24 PM
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Excuse my ignorance; can someone outline what a ratings-based event looks like?
See this thread: http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1156
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Old April 5th, 2012, 10:26 PM
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Can you show me where it says that 935 is the cut-off for Advanced Masters? This is totally news to me.
I don't recall ever referring to it as a cut-off. I would say it is a guideline. Basically, it suggests that the brackets are:

970
935
900
850
800
750

Here is the link: http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PlayerDivisionGridTable3.pdf

MM1 appears twice in the chart.

for Ams, it says "any" (rating)
for Pros, it says "<935"

this would suggest that the "cut-off" as it were, would be: 935.

My point to the PDGA is: if a Pro must be rated below 935 to play MM1, why should a 1,000,000-rated Am be allowed to play MM1?

Players seem to fall in two categories: those that maximize the spin of their interpretation of the non-rules to their own benefit, and those who interpret the essence of the guidelines' intent, to create divisions evenly divided ("protected") by skill level, as well as age, and gender. Believe me, if I were ever to somehow fight my to 935+, I would move right up (a promise I feel safe I will never have to keep, having never achieved it before, and certainly not getting any younger or better ).

By leaving the line blurry, the PDGA creates the perfect divide for a debate, for which this forum would seem the perfect venue.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 10:40 PM
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Gawain,

You made some very good points, so I did split this off into its own discussing worthy thread.

I hope you don't mind.

Jeeff
Not at all. I have some regrets about the post, and one of them was dirtying up the BSF thread with it, so I am actually glad it was moved, thank you. I didn't get to select the subject (I guess I should have put one in my post), but I think you did fine (though I am depressed by the use of the term "eternal").

The other was the graphic nature of my comparison, exaggerated for effect.

Yep, that's it. Sorry for those two things.
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Old April 5th, 2012, 11:00 PM
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I thought ratings-based events look more like this....
Player A = 1000 rating
Player B = 900 rating
Course SSA = 1 strokes per 10 ratings points.
PLAY.
Player B gets 10 strokes per round on Player A.
I thought that was what it meant.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 12:34 AM
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I thought ratings-based events look more like this....
Player A = 1000 rating
Player B = 900 rating
Course SSA = 1 strokes per 10 ratings points.
PLAY.
Player B gets 10 strokes per round on Player A.
I thought that was what it meant.
Thanks for sharing your delusion with us Wes.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 01:04 AM
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No, seriously. I thought Jordan's TDG model was PDGA ratings based/handicapped.
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