2009 Tournament Season

[RonTheWhip]

So it is here!

The 2009 Tournament Season is upon us and I am STOKED! I've already planned out which events I'd like to make this year and in light of my sponsorship I'm probably going to make All Oregon, most Washington and some California events. Also - Worlds, USDGC if I qualify, and Players Cup.

I have a question for everyone though. I'm going to offer a variety of tournaments this season as well, what kinda events and on what courses would you like to play? Remeber that most the events I run are at Adair due to convienence, but I'd be willing to step into Bryant, Waterloo and other near by courses to run events.

Type of tournaments:
PDGA Singles - C and B tier
Doubles - Best shot, worst shot, alternate...
Triples - Three Headed Monster format, best shot...
Super Class - large diameter old school awesomeness
Speed Disc - Against the clock baby!
One Disc - there can be only one!

Anything else?

What do you want to play?

[proto something or other]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

So it is here!

The 2009 Tournament Season is upon us and I am STOKED! I've already planned out which events I'd like to make this year and in light of my sponsorship I'm probably going to make All Oregon, most Washington and some California events. Also - Worlds, USDGC if I qualify, and Players Cup.

I have a question for everyone though. I'm going to offer a variety of tournaments this season as well, what kinda events and on what courses would you like to play? Remeber that most the events I run are at Adair due to convienence, but I'd be willing to step into Bryant, Waterloo and other near by courses to run events.

Type of tournaments:
PDGA Singles - C and B tier
Doubles - Best shot, worst shot, alternate...
Triples - Three Headed Monster format, best shot...
Super Class - large diameter old school awesomeness
Speed Disc - Against the clock baby!
One Disc - there can be only one!

Anything else?

What do you want to play?

I would play the hell out of a Super Class event. I am likely one of the few that would find this fun though.

[RonTheWhip]

I can't wait to run a super class event!!!!!! Nate, Colin and I are Zephyr masters and also have a secret weapon known as "Te Moko", New Zealands ultiamte Super Class disc!!!!!

Can't wait to see you at our event Erik!

[Scott]

Originally Posted by proto something or other

I would play the hell out of a Super Class event. I am likely one of the few that would find this fun though.

I love the thought of more 1 day b and c tier tournaments in the state.

Intrigued by speed disc. How does that work in a tournament setting? My best scored rounds have always been solo rounds where I pick up and throw quickly. Waiting around in a tournament setting seems to have a big, negative impact.

[DexterHawk]

Waterloo is a fun tourny course... and I really want to try that speed golf buisness

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

So it is here!

The 2009 Tournament Season is upon us and I am STOKED! I've already planned out which events I'd like to make this year and in light of my sponsorship I'm probably going to make All Oregon, most Washington and some California events. Also - Worlds, USDGC if I qualify, and Players Cup.

I have a question for everyone though. I'm going to offer a variety of tournaments this season as well, what kinda events and on what courses would you like to play? Remeber that most the events I run are at Adair due to convienence, but I'd be willing to step into Bryant, Waterloo and other near by courses to run events.

Type of tournaments:
PDGA Singles - C and B tier
Doubles - Best shot, worst shot, alternate...
Triples - Three Headed Monster format, best shot...
Super Class - large diameter old school awesomeness
Speed Disc - Against the clock baby!
One Disc - there can be only one!

Anything else?

What do you want to play?

I totally want to play a one-disc event! Beyond that, any tourny at Adair is great. The Adair fundraiser series last year was very cool and more sanctioned one-days like that would be awesome.

[Kevin Madrid]

How about the 3-disc tourney?

There seems to be enough people taking about what they would throw in the Disc Equipment thread... 3 disc anytime, anyplace, anywhere.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Anything at Adair is perfect and I agree with Scott, more one day PDGA events is great.

Bob

[bvdisc]

I'd be stoked about any tournament but I would definitely be in for a super class event. Sounds like a good time to me. Oh and I also enjoy Waterloo.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Here's an additional incentive for the Open players as Super Class events gain some steam. What we've found in our Super Class league all winter is that, at least for one round, scores for Intermediate thru Open players including Master Pros and GM Pros are all close enough that we all play together in Open making for a much bigger division. We all feel we can and have contended on any given week and in fact two Advanced guys have done the best so far this season.

With the compression of scores in Super Class, every putt matters even more than with regular discs. The Open guys still out distance everyone on drives but nowhere near the difference with regular plastic and not enough that they are parked and everyone else has an approach, as long as the hole distances are appropriate. What we've found is a mix of short and long tees gives the best Super Class layout with holes under 225 for ace and deuceable holes. Avoid holes in the 240-350 range. From 350-450 is the sweet spot for tough 3s and par 4s. Jump to 575-650 for par 5s. Of course, the more wooded the routes, shorten these ideal ranges.

[gwillim]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

Here's an additional incentive for the Open players as Super Class events gain some steam. What we've found in our Super Class league all winter is that, at least for one round, scores for Intermediate thru Open players including Master Pros and GM Pros are all close enough that we all play together in Open making for a much bigger division. We all feel we can and have contended on any given week and in fact two Advanced guys have done the best so far this season.

In your first sentence you state an implied incentive for Open players to play Super Class. Then in you go on and indicate that Open player don't have much advantage at all, and that it's likely that they'll get beat by amateurs on a regular basis.

?

["Over the Hill" Bob]

So I'm sitting here with a headache and sore shoulder and reading various other threads and thinking about the tournaments I've played. In most of the events I've played the course gets tweaked and holes are lengthened and made more challenging. This is understandable as MOST events are designed with the Advanced and Open players in mind.

What I'd like to see is an event with the lesser skilled player in mind. Shorten the monster holes, remove Mando's that are only there to make a hole harder, remove crazy OB's that are hard for us weaker players to make. Staff the event with lots of Advanced/Open players on hand to offer advice and encourage the players. We have a lot of new players entering the sport all the time. It would be a great way to bring them into the competitive aspect of disc golf.

Bob

[Chuck Kennedy]

Originally Posted by gwillim

In your first sentence you state an implied incentive for Open players to play Super Class. Then in you go on and indicate that Open player don't have much advantage at all, and that it's likely that they'll get beat by amateurs on a regular basis.

?

The incentive is the potential for larger Open fields. I think most Open players feel their division could be bigger if only those Masters, GMs and Advanced players would step up. You hear that "whine" pretty much everywhere. In Super Class, it looks like that is happening, but then you have to deliver.

[Dr. Zaius]

another vote for more one day c tier events anywhere in the mid-willamette valley area.
those were a blast last year, and provided some fun competition to get into the W.O. for free.

[Micah]

I would love to play in a super class event.

[RonTheWhip]

Cool, Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Just so everyone knows, Super Class is certainly going to happen. Potentially at Willamette, but most likely at Adair. My best at Adair is a 58, but Colin holds the record at 56. Super fun, super challenging, super class! (Did I just create a new tag line?)

Thanks Chuck for the feedback about Super Class. I still think folks in our area are going to be hip to divisional breakdowns similar to what we've had so far, but I'll certainly hint at the fact that there is a more equal playing field within the SC structure.

Speed Disc is a little more intense of a format. I knew Ben and Andy would dig it, but for anyone who drinks beer seriously, this format may not be for you. I’ll give you a quick example of how this format works. My best score (and only time I’ve tried) at Willamette is a 49, completed in 16:31, with one disc (TeeRex). I could see having three discs to carry, but the point is to go fast and shoot well. Time is the overall deciding factor, but score factors in when scores are comparable enough. I’m still playing with how it works exactly, but it is a fun format no doubt. You should be in shape enough to jog about two miles without dying, just a heads up.

Bob, I really dig you idea! I think we could hold a Tournament/Clinic for new and beginning players with advanced players coaching and offering tips at each hole. I could see that day going something like this:

Morning Clinic (Putting, Driving, Sidearm, etc…)
Beginner Tournament with Pro Caddies (one round, easy layout)
Lunch
Pro tournament with Beginner Caddies (one round, hard layout)
Awards (Best Caddy, Overall Performance, etc…)

That would be a blast!

Count on the Adair Series happening again this year, but potentially with a twist. I love one day Sanctioned events, so I wouldn’t pass these up. I’m getting super excited to get these things going, so look out for flyers and dates being published soon!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

Bob, I really dig you idea! I think we could hold a Tournament/Clinic for new and beginning players with advanced players coaching and offering tips at each hole. I could see that day going something like this:

Morning Clinic (Putting, Driving, Sidearm, etc…)
Beginner Tournament with Pro Caddies (one round, easy layout)
Lunch
Pro tournament with Beginner Caddies (one round, hard layout)
Awards (Best Caddy, Overall Performance, etc…)

That sounds really cool. What better way to get sound advice on how to play the game, and then being able to witness things you didn't even know were possible!

[Scott]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

Morning Clinic (Putting, Driving, Sidearm, etc…)
Beginner Tournament with Pro Caddies (one round, easy layout)
Lunch
Pro tournament with Beginner Caddies (one round, hard layout)
Awards (Best Caddy, Overall Performance, etc…)

That would be a blast!

Sounds awesome - just don't call it a beginner tournament. There are many of us who have been playing for a while in the rec/int fields who could benefit from a tournament like this.

I would change the afternoon round to open/am doubles.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

Cool, Thanks for all the feedback so far!

Thanks Chuck for the feedback about Super Class. I still think folks in our area are going to be hip to divisional breakdowns similar to what we've had so far, but I'll certainly hint at the fact that there is a more equal playing field within the SC structure.

What we offered for Super Class league is Open, Intermediate and Rec. That way you have divisions for those rated over 934, 850-934 and under 850. Seems to work well. Ams who "cash" in Open win merch just like in regular events.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

[QUOTEMorning Clinic (Putting, Driving, Sidearm, etc…)
Beginner Tournament with Pro Caddies (one round, easy layout)
Lunch
Pro tournament with Beginner Caddies (one round, hard layout)
Awards (Best Caddy, Overall Performance, etc…)
][/quote]

I like it!

Bob