Reminder: SDGA Membership meeting 4/2 TONIGHT!

[Simmeltron]

Reminder:
There will be an SDGA Member Meeting Tuesday, April 2nd. It will be held at the Spokane Public Library in Shadle Park (click for location) from 5:45pm - 7:45pm.

If you are a past member and wish to renew your membership, you may do so at the door with Bob before the meeting. If you are interested in a new membership, you can talk to him about taking care of that at a later time/place. Hope to see you there!

[Simmeltron]

Minutes from Member Meeting - 4/2/2013

Started @ 6:00
Present: Bob Perewe, Gordy Crafts, Dana Simmelink, Nancy Morgan, Tim Nevins and (Late arrival) Jon Verbarg

Members present: Tom Echelarger, Jaymie Crafts, Drew Brown
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Agenda Items:

1. Parks and Req communication ~ Gordy has called and left messages, and P&R has in turn called and left messages. There will eventually be a MOU for the SDGA a time frame is unknown at this point. Jon is working on a timeline/outline to present to P&R of past work and future projects and work on the two courses.

2. Upcoming tournaments. DRRO (Downriver Re-Open) is in full swing on preparation James Maclaughlin of SCC is running this event with assistance from the SDGA. James as requested approximately $1600 for shirts/discs for player packs. The event is to be held April 27, and 28.

3. High Bridge work ~ terracing the face of hole 18 and clearing to be done for another pin placement closer to the bridge. Kevin Sakus is organizing this.

4. Downriver work ~ Now that the 2nd pin placements are installed, new Tee-signs are in progress and will be installed before DRRO. With hope of having the Tee pads of 2, 5, 10 and 14 updated / repaired.

5. DGU basket compensation ~ Attempts have been made to obtain cost of the 4 baskets promised for reimbursement once the course was installed. The DGU must be in compliance with their MOU (Still in process with Parks and Req at last word). If attempts to obtain information required for reimbursement is not given to SDGA, any monies owed may be placed in a Parks Foundation Trust for DGU for Camp Sekani. Tim and Dana will attempt to finalize this effort.

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Other Items:

Shawna Buzzingham has contacted Gordy concerning fee's for the General Store Open event the first weekend in October. Standard fees will apply of $1 per person per day. If Highbridge and Downriver are only used one day, than only the one day fee will apply. Shawna was requested to contact the Parks Deparment to see if anything further was needed.

Tim spoke to Kevin Sakus concerning any keys for our baskets. Kevin will get any keys that may still be "out".

Jaymie and Gordy have a very nice "Downriver" sign for the park at Four Mound, they will contact the Parks Deparment to see where they would like this sign placed.



Meeting completed 7:40pm

[Lyounger]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

Minutes from Member Meeting - 4/2/2013

Thank you so much for posting these minutes. I really feel like opening this kind of communication will inspire more people to join the club and attend meetings.

I'm sure you will get the few 'people' who will start firing a bunch of questions to the SDGA about the notes and happenings at the meeting....

I would say to that...If you have concerns and questions....attend the next meeting! :-)

Nice job Dana!

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Lyounger

I'm sure you will get the few 'people' who will start firing a bunch of questions to the SDGA about the notes and happenings at the meeting....

I would say to that...If you have concerns and questions....attend the next meeting! :-)

Sharing some real wisdom..
Don't bother asking questions unless you can go to a meeting...
Pay no attention to man behind the curtain. I am the great and powerful wizard of oz

BTW, thanks for the notes Dana.
How many people went to the meeting?

[Lyounger]

[quote=Yoduh;136289]Sharing some real wisdom..
QUOTE]

Exactly!! Why throw firebombs and shoot arrows through a self constructed 'secret' curtain when you can become involved in the club, have your voice heard, cast your votes and make 'positive' changes - like say maybe an initiative to generously support the ventures of a new DG club?

Or...just continue to be a sad cliche'...

Sorry I'm thread drifting again :-(

[Yoduh]

Strange how no one is invited unless youve paid..
Props to White Walls for figuring out that the"curtain" can be pulled.
Guess there aren't any questions about what happened at the meeting...
My only question is how many club members are there?

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

BTW, thanks for the notes Dana.
How many people went to the meeting?

Sure thing Jeremy. Well, as the notes say, there were six board members + three members present. 6 + 3 = 9 members present.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Strange how no one is invited unless youve paid..

Not sure where you're getting your intel but that is untrue. The meeting was open to any and all who were willing and able to show. It was announced, and reminded. Hence the thread you are having fun in.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

There will be an SDGA Member Meeting held on Tuesday, April 2nd. It will be held at the Spokane Public Library in Shadle Park (click for location) from 5:30pm - 7:45pm.

You must be a current SDGA member to attend. If you are not currently a member, you may purchase or renew your membership at the door. Hope to see you there!

Wow Dana........

[Yoduh]

How many club members are there?

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Wow Dana........

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

Thanks to the crack team of NWDGN members, we have a couple updates for the upcoming meeting on April 2.
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2) The meeting will be open to the PUBLIC.

Wow yourself Jeremy. Your continual attempts at mudslinging are beyond old.

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

How many club members are there?

Last count I think it was in the low to mid 20s I think.

[Wobbly Bob]

There are 342 SDGA Club Members. Not all of them have paid their 2013 dues at this time.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

Not sure where you're getting your intel but that is untrue. The meeting was open to any and all who were willing and able to show. It was announced, and reminded. Hence the thread you are having fun in.

Not really mud slinging. Quite simply a reply to this above quote. Both of which you wrote. The word wow was referring to the part where you seemed to have directly forgotten your own post you had made a couple weeks before. No harm though.
I appreciate your efforts. I and many others have attempted to put in efforts but the yields have been minimal. The club member level is down from 50-80 members a year to less than half. The SCC disc golf crew is out hammering away which is for the most part positive.
Positive growth for our sport is all I really hope for in the future. More courses for everybody is the goal! I am pretty sure that we will have 3 new courses in the area in the next 18 months... Very exciting times!!!

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Not really mud slinging. Quite simply a reply to this above quote. Both of which you wrote. The word wow was referring to the part where you seemed to have directly forgotten your own post you had made a couple weeks before. No harm though.
I appreciate your efforts. I and many others have attempted to put in efforts but the yields have been minimal. The club member level is down from 50-80 members a year to less than half. The SCC disc golf crew is out hammering away which is for the most part positive.
Positive growth for our sport is all I really hope for in the future. More courses for everybody is the goal! I am pretty sure that we will have 3 new courses in the area in the next 18 months... Very exciting times!!!

Call it what you want. You clearly have an agenda. Yes we had an idea to try and bolster the active membership. It was then pointed out that we must make the meeting open to all at the library. We corrected that IMMEDIATELY. You chose to look at one thing in the past, and make another unnecessary issue out of it, instead of looking how things actually were when the meeting occurred. Congrats.

On top of that, you nor anybody else who took issue with the idea bothered to even show once we opened the meeting to all.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Simmeltron

Call it what you want. You clearly have an agenda. Yes we had an idea to try and bolster the active membership. It was then pointed out that we must make the meeting open to all at the library. We corrected that IMMEDIATELY. You chose to look at one thing in the past, and make another unnecessary issue out of it, instead of looking how things actually were when the meeting occurred. Congrats.

On top of that, you nor anybody else who took issue with the idea bothered to even show once we opened the meeting to all.

I guess I could see your theory working but to me it seems like the opposite occurred. The original stance held by the club itself probably was a main contributor to people not showing up. If I want people to come to a meeting to help out and join in I'm going to hold the meeting open to the public so people that are excited about disc golf and have extra energy will get involved. You can play most PDGA tournaments without being a member. Many after playing a few decide to join cause they see the value in it. This is versus excluding people from playing until they join your club. This would slow the growth of the PDGA which I believe has 52,000 members. Not all of them are current either Bob.... I appreciate flippant record keeping, the record low number of club members must be a reflection of these sort of remarks and attitudes. Taking the time to find out how many have ever signed up, but not to find out how many there actually are
My agenda is the same agenda I have had since becoming involved with building disc golf in 2001. Whether it's with a shovel, on the phone or on the computer I try to use logic to help figure out problems. Can't say that I'm always right but I know my heart is in the right place. I'll be at Downriver tomorrow helping James get ready for the DRO RE-O. There's lots to do, come on down people with energy and time!

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

I guess I could see your theory working but to me it seems like the opposite occurred. The original stance held by the club itself probably was a main contributor to people not showing up. If I want people to come to a meeting to help out and join in I'm going to hold the meeting open to the public so people that are excited about disc golf and have extra energy will get involved. You can play most PDGA tournaments without being a member. Many after playing a few decide to join cause they see the value in it.

Is this a comment about the last SDGA meeting or a way to bolster your upcoming DGU meeting? (us vs them theory). The national stance on allowing any tom dick or mary can pay an extra $10 and get to play with Climo is one of the reasons why this sport languishes.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

This would slow the growth of the PDGA which I believe has 52,000 members. Not all of them are current either Bob.... I appreciate flippant record keeping, the record low number of club members must be a reflection of these sort of remarks and attitudes.

The current % of active members nationally is ~ 40% of 52K.
No matter how you phrase it

All of the current course users are benefiting from the efforts of all past and current members of the SDGA

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Taking the time to find out how many have ever signed up, but not to find out how many there actually are

Is there a sentence here ? All I see are a bunch of verbs

Originally Posted by Yoduh

This is versus excluding people from playing until they join your club.

Is that exactly like the SCC club wanting to adopt (a park) Sekani and where told they had to join DGU to be allowed to keep up the course?

Originally Posted by Yoduh

My agenda is the same agenda I have had since becoming involved with building disc golf in 2001. Whether it's with a shovel, on the phone or on the computer I try to use logic to help figure out problems. Can't say that I'm always right but I know my heart is in the right place.

The problem is not where your heart is but where your heads at.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

My agenda is the same agenda... I'll be at Downriver tomorrow helping James get ready for the DRO RE-O. There's lots to do, come on down people with energy and time!

Your agenda is to look reasonable onsite and outrageous online

[Lyounger]

Just sharing my perspective on members and non-members attending any club meetings. As I remember, in the early years of the SDGA we had several club meetings where non-members attended and dominated the conversations in the meeting so far as to completely disrupt the agenda and business of the club.

I'm an SDGA club member but not currently an avid attendee of the meetings so I'm only speculating this might be one of the reasons the club considered a members only rule.

In the old days when I was an SDGA Board member, I was a propionate of following Robert's Rules of Order and producing, distributing and following an agenda. Non-members would be allowed to attend club meetings but would not be privileged with rights to propose agenda topics, comment, bring motions or vote. Each meeting would allow a public comment period with a set start and end time where any non-members could speak for a predetermined amount of time.

It's was way too much structure for most volunteer organizations but in my professional experience it's been an effective method that has demonstated success, fairness and civility.

I'm not sure of the current meeting structure but from the meeting notes it appears everything is moving forward in a positive way.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Lyounger

Just sharing my perspective on members and non-members attending any club meetings. As I remember, in the early years of the SDGA we had several club meetings where non-members attended and dominated the conversations in the meeting so far as to completely disrupt the agenda and business of the club.

I'm an SDGA club member but not currently an avid attendee of the meetings so I'm only speculating this might be one of the reasons the club considered a members only rule.

In the old days when I was an SDGA Board member, I was a propionate of following Robert's Rules of Order and producing, distributing and following an agenda. Non-members would be allowed to attend club meetings but would not be privileged with rights to propose agenda topics, comment, bring motions or vote. Each meeting would allow a public comment period with a set start and end time where any non-members could speak for a predetermined amount of time.

It's was way too much structure for most volunteer organizations but in my professional experience it's been an effective method that has demonstated success, fairness and civility.

I'm not sure of the current meeting structure but from the meeting notes it appears everything is moving forward in a positive way.

I don't remember non members dominating topics to often but maybe I missed a couple meetings. I remember drunk people not listening and talking anyways. I also remember topics getting started and then new ones getting started and then new ones.. Roberts rules were a pain, especially for those that aren't up to speed on proceedures. It sounds as if the meeting was fine, with 9 people it's probably much easier. I don't remember you being an officer for very long. Whatever the case all I was advocating is holding open meetings in general seems to shed the right light about the club you are promoting. Dissallowing a non member to bring up an issue seems like a negative. Obviously not allowing them to vote is a given. Also not being allowed to bring it to a vote is also good policy.

[Yoduh]

The only real thing that Jub brings up other than static is a need to address a sentence I didn't word properly.. For Bob, the SDGA membership whip, to go through the effort to figure out that there have been 325 members in the past, when the question clearly stated, "How many members are there at this time?" was clearly a flippant answer to a very clear and simple question. This is good policy to reinforce if you only want to have a couple people in your club.
Jub when you actually live over here, you can pretend to know whats going on. I've been on these forums for 13 years and you've constantly said things way out of line and off base. I do appreciate your consistency

[Simmeltron]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

The only real thing that Jub brings up other than static is a need to address a sentence I didn't word properly..

No, actually that appears to be the only thing you are willing to look at and make issue with, as he clearly has several other very valid points that you easily dismiss and/or pretend are either not there are.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

For Bob, the SDGA membership whip, to go through the effort to figure out that there have been 325 members in the past, when the question clearly stated, "How many members are there at this time?" was clearly a flippant answer to a very clear and simple question.

Relax, he has the master list on a spreadsheet. Currents at top, the rest below. He didn't devise some master attack on you. He looked at the bottom of the spreadsheet and reported where the rows ended.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

How many club members are there?

hm... I see no "at this time". Apparently the question was not as simple as your mind devised it.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

This is good policy to reinforce if you only want to have a couple people in your club.

Yeah, I think we get it, you don't like how the SDGA runs things. Feel free to move on any time this decade.

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Jub when you actually live over here, you can pretend to know whats going on. I've been on these forums for 13 years and you've constantly said things way out of line and off base. I do appreciate your consistency

Yeah you may be the gold medal winner for longevity around here or whatever, but I have been around her long enough to know when a pot is calling a kettle black. I thought I came here to hear chains but seems like too often it is just a bunch of rusty kitchenware banging against each other....

I think Jub makes a good point. The problem is not where your heart is at but where your head is at. I know you love disc golf. That cannot be questioned. But your disdain for the SDGA and your apparent love of bashing it is BEYOND old. You may say that the way we run things make people not want to join, but the way you conduct yourself online does you and DGU no favors either.