ORS donates $80,000 to Oregon disc golf - Page 3 - Oregon Events

Sam · #41 February 25th, 2009, 05:40 PM

I see. So your hero can badmouth others but others badmouthing him and they deserve a punch in the mouth. Perfect Jerry Miller logic.

Wes Hansen · #42 February 25th, 2009, 05:43 PM

Sean,
You are not the first person to have that thought!
Frankly, I think Sam takes pride, much as I do, that his words have that power.
Particularly when the words have enough truth in them (I'm NOT talking about this instance, perhaps) that it tends to piss off people.
I also don't envy your position as a friend of someone who gets so much crap here.
(I HOPE you know I'm talking about JM. I've always thought you were too sane to be JJs friend. Please don't tell me I'm wrong.)

Sam,
We wouldn't be where we are today if we hadn't felt like punching each other in the mouth at least once! I think maybe you and Sean will be friends one day.

ALL,
So- are all sane people here agreed on the gist of the thread?
The ORS is no more.
People can read the ORS statement in differing ways.
Every player who played in an ORS event is richer for it and, by it's presence, ORS has contributed to the overall advancement of DG in Oregon.
That some people have so little concept of business they misguidedly believe products and services should be free. Or at least free to them.
That idiots can be found more easily than intelligent people.

What else have we learned?

Magilla · #43 February 25th, 2009, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Hansen

Hey Magilla,
Why read things the way Jub Jub does?
I read that statement and, having a brain, understood what they were saying.
Sort of like your "bullshit" statement. Or implying that the ORS was calling DGers morons.
That was just you trying to stir crap right?
Aren't you the PDGA rep for OR? (Tell me no, so I don't have to vote against you next time.)
That's not the kind of representation we need right now.

"....spending ~$10k yearly to run the Series (out of our own pockets), and not pulling a dime out of the Series for personal payment other than to cover minimal travel expenses the last year or so,...."

Ok so here is the EXACT quote from the ORS site....

What does of "out of our own pockets" & "Not pulling a dime out of the Series.." say to you??
Im am NOT saying NOR have I ever said that they are not entitled to make $ off of what they do/did. There is nothing wrong with it.

Maybe, It took $10000 of our own money to purchase all the Merch we sell at each event & cover costs to attend...would eliminate the 10+ phone calls Ive recieved since they posted that statement.

I had no intention of taking this any further than moving on, dealing with it the best we can AND keep the Series running.

People here asked for further clairification....I just gave it.

Wes Hansen · #44 February 25th, 2009, 06:01 PM

Perhaps neither you nor I can read the mind of the writers and you've simply misunderstood their statement?
Perhaps their statement referred to the cost of supplies, infrastructure, gas, lodging, food, loss of salary due to time off... $10k seems like a reasonable statement to me.

Did they not provide you with enough information? Why in the world should they?

Those 10+ calls are a drop in the bucket compared to the HUNDREDS of DGers that have been happy with the ORS.

Since Magilla has said he's more about the future than arguing about the past...
PLEASE let us all know what efforts are being made to see the events that were the Oregon Series remain in some way consistent in excellence?
Or, be honest, will this year be a serious clusterfuck and it will be all TDs for themselves?

Isn't there a local organization that could easily absorb the work of running a series?

snap7times · #45 February 25th, 2009, 06:06 PM

Through the ORS, we have all learned what it is like to be part of a top quality tournament. Many of us have taken that expirience and knowledge and applied it to our own tournaments like the ODDGA. Thanks to the ORS, the ODDGA has improved it's tournament quality threefold. No BS neccessary, the ORS walked the talk, period.
Now let's take all the good we can out of this and apply it to our 2009 "ORS" tournaments. Leave the negative skeptism BS out of this. If I wanted to listen to BS, i would watch the news... Which I never do because they can never talk about anything positive longer than it takes me to eat an M&M. I'll be there for BSF, don't make me smack you on the head with my ROC.

Magilla · #46 February 25th, 2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Hansen

Perhaps neither you nor I can read the mind of the writers and you've simply misunderstood their statement?
Perhaps their statement referred to the cost of supplies, infrastructure, gas, lodging, food, loss of salary due to time off... $10k seems like a reasonable statement to me.

Did they not provide you with enough information? Why in the world should they?

Those 10+ calls are a drop in the bucket compared to the HUNDREDS of DGers that have been happy with the ORS.

Since Magilla has said he's more about the future than arguing about the past...
PLEASE let us all know what efforts are being made to see the events that were the Oregon Series remain in some way consistent in excellence?
Or, be honest, will this year be a serious clusterfuck and it will be all TDs for themselves?

Isn't there a local organization that could easily absorb the work of running a series?

Wes I base my thoughts on the fact that Ive run 100's of tournaments (50+PDGA) and I know EXACTLY what the costs are.........

As far as the Series........

The actual RUNNING of the events isnt the issue...It's being able to put on a similar "Show"
Without the assets of the "Series" ie Tents, Tables, Sound System, Scoreboards, Computers,etc. it WILL be different.
The TD's themselves are more than capable of running the events, Heck the GNW Open will be just about the same seeing as they are traveling there to Merch for Tom AND honor old scrip so they can close the books.

Wes Hansen · #47 February 25th, 2009, 06:30 PM

So, we've agreed to disagree?
I feel like I'm sitting in front of Clinton, trying to define "costs" for him/you.
"and I know EXACTLY what the costs are........."
It's all semantics.
"Without the assets of the "Series" ie Tents, Tables, Sound System, Scoreboards, Computers,etc. it WILL be different."
Those items are free! By your logic they must be.
Your posts show an obvious predisposition to malign the ORS.
Why is that?
Or simply state your real issue here. After just a couple posts from you I feel I can probably guess your real issue, but I won't take your statements out of context and stupidly put words in your mouth.

Snap,
I'll take that smack in the head! You should bring some extras for my forum friends! See you at BSF. I hope.

Magilla · #48 February 25th, 2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Hansen

So, we've agreed to disagree?
I feel like I'm sitting in front of Clinton, trying to define "costs" for him/you.
"and I know EXACTLY what the costs are........."
It's all semantics.
"Without the assets of the "Series" ie Tents, Tables, Sound System, Scoreboards, Computers,etc. it WILL be different."
Those items are free! By your logic they must be.
Your posts show an obvious predisposition to malign the ORS.
Why is that?
Or simply state your real issue here. After just a couple posts from you I feel I can probably guess your real issue, but I won't take your statements out of context and stupidly put words in your mouth.

Snap,
I'll take that smack in the head! You should bring some extras for my forum friends! See you at BSF. I hope.

Where or HOW have I attempted to "Malign" the ORS, Wes?

I have only attempted to work with them to grow this sport in ways that I have proven will work. I have given them praise about ALL they have done for Oregon Disc Golf and because I question something, I am the bad guy?
Is this China? Are you a Commie? Better watch out..McCarthy could still be watching...

Anybody have any ideas for the NEW name of our Series?

snap7times · #49 February 25th, 2009, 07:18 PM

I went back to read the message that was left to us by the ORS, and i find it almost perfect and find nothing to be digested as far as some have taken it... Just remember, anyone I smack with my ROC cannot retaliate because i'm handicapped and i SIGNED "FOUR", so I did my part before the ROC hits ya...

Oh yeah, here's a great idea for a name, "Oregon Series".. no point in changing something good....

Sam · #50 February 25th, 2009, 07:30 PM

Oregon Tour

Really. I take it to mean "We made X (and we are not telling you how big the X is because why should we?) and from that X, we spent about $10,000 per year on the costs of running the series." I really fail to see the problem with this.

"Not pulling a dime out of the series." I take this to mean that of the purse, they took none. I know the two events I was directly involved with, they took money for laminating but that is a valid expense that shouldn't be absorbed by them. And that was it. The rest went to payouts and expenses. Period.

I understand that this will leave people questioning how big X is. I encourage the Bellingers to maintain their position of "not telling you because it is none of your business" and allow the speculators to speculate. They will no matter what answers are provided to them.

"Over the Hill" Bob · #51 February 25th, 2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Magilla

Anybody have any ideas for the NEW name of our Series?

OSS=Oregon Summer Series

Bob

Wes Hansen · #52 February 25th, 2009, 07:52 PM

Magilla- OK.

I vote for

Oregon Series

unless the people that used the name previously object.

Scott · #53 February 25th, 2009, 08:03 PM

It's the Oregon Series.

Sam · #54 February 25th, 2009, 08:30 PM

Why, Scott?

Matt B. · #55 February 25th, 2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Oregon Tour

Really. I take it to mean "We made X (and we are not telling you how big the X is because why should we?) and from that X, we spent about $10,000 per year on the costs of running the series." I really fail to see the problem with this.

"Not pulling a dime out of the series." I take this to mean that of the purse, they took none. I know the two events I was directly involved with, they took money for laminating but that is a valid expense that shouldn't be absorbed by them. And that was it. The rest went to payouts and expenses. Period.

I understand that this will leave people questioning how big X is. I encourage the Bellingers to maintain their position of "not telling you because it is none of your business" and allow the speculators to speculate. They will no matter what answers are provided to them.

I read the statement the same way. You know what is BULLSHIT!? Someone with an axe to grind posting that the ORS said they made a "donation". It seems that there are so many old grudges in our scene, finger pointing, rumors, etc. And SO many of us know nothing about some five-ten year old problem and frankly don't give a shit. We go to tournaments and we decide if we had a good time, if the TD was nice or a jerk, and if it was worth it enough for us to come back.

Too bad we've got some people stuck in the past and looking to just cause problems.

And I vote for "Oregon Tour" as I'd say the name "Oregon Series" is clearly someone else's creation.

all2common · #56 February 25th, 2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Why, Scott?

Because it's a series of tournaments...in Oregon.

(I didn't mean to answer for Scott.)

Sam · #57 February 25th, 2009, 10:47 PM

Yes.. but as Caloch has already pointed out, the Oregon Series is someone else's creation. What will follow might be a series of tournaments in Oregon but it will not be the Oregon Series. Not in my mind, anyway.

snap7times · #58 February 25th, 2009, 10:49 PM

I like the word series... i do see the point of leaving "oregon series" alone and leaving that to be respected for what it was. how about "The Beaver State Series", since the BSF is the signature event of the series?

LJ Jubner · #59 February 26th, 2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Magilla

As far as the Series........

The actual RUNNING of the events isn't the issue...It's being able to put on a similar "Show"
Without the assets of the "Series" IE Tents, Tables, Sound System, Scoreboards, Computers,etc. .
.

I have have a serious problems with this statement. In the beginning It was my understanding that all the Ore series stuff, trailer, Tents scoreboards were originally purchased with seed money from Full Sail. it was my impression that FS gave the money to support DG in Ore not the Bellingers personal ownership. So WTF is going on. Maybe Mags is right thinking Ore DG are too stoned/drunk to notice or even care. If they do retain possession of these goods that's one hell of a parting gift or they found a way to recoop 20k of their supposed 80k.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magilla

The TD's themselves are more than capable of running the events, Heck the GNW Open will be just about the same seeing as they are traveling there to Merch for Tom AND honor old scrip so they can close the books.

So there are books, then Lets see them!!!

If the books show that the series coord. did donate/lose (whatever you want to call it) 80k and It can be verified I will quit posting on this site. Is that good enough for you wus?

Sam · #60 February 26th, 2009, 09:21 AM

Jub, here's a hard and fast rule for you.

If it is your understanding, start over because you are probably wrong.

Good luck.