ORS donates $80,000 to Oregon disc golf

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Jub,

As someone who has watched, participated and very much appreciated the immense efforts of the ORS series staff, I am disgusted by your never ending criticisms. Year after year, the ORS series staff put in hours of work to bring us all the most professionally run tournaments I have ever participated in. To have you sit here and call to question their motivation is, in my opinion, a joke. If you think the ORS series staff was getting rich off these tournaments I think you as sorely mistaken.

Yes, the subject line of this thread could have been a bit clearer, but rather than clarify the subject line, once again, you took the opportunity to bad mouth some of the most dedicated advocates of disc golf in our area. I have nothing but good things to say about the ORS staff and Bellingers in particular.

Jeff H

Nice to see some others chime in here so I don't have to get accused of "attacking" a chronic negative naysayer and conspiracy theorist disc golf cop. As far as the subject line, I'll ask it again : deucedropper, are you out there? One post since you registered 6 months ago and this is it? You sure set someone up well to attack people who had nothing to do with the post - and they are taking full advantage of it.

Attacking the subject line and using it as an excuse to spew utter crap is really lame. I wish the ORS staff had made a ton of money - they freakin' earned it! Worth every goddamn penny and then some! You think gas is free? Series t-shirts, trophies, scoring, website. Sweet hoodies, jackets for people who played all events.

Some people are jealous and negative and carrying loooong held grudges. You can say I'm a name-caller all you want, but the kind of unfounded accusations and criticism aimed at the ORS that gets spewed is astounding!

The ORS was the best thing to happen to sanctioned tournament disc golf in the PNW, and I am sorely sad to see it go! THANK YOU Cris and Teresa, Todd, Tom, Flash, Greg and EVERYONE on the local level who ran events, sponsored events, helped out and played. We can only pull together and hope we can keep things moving at the high level we have become accustomed to. One thing is for sure - some people will always run their mouths about other peoples events.

[Adam Schneider]

I'd change the title of the thread if I fully understood exactly what it's supposed to mean.

By the way, the mods can see the identity of "DeuceDropper"; it's someone active in the Oregon disc golf scene, not just some random schmoe.

[JMan]

Everyone can say what they will, what I will say is that I played in a few ORS events and they were all run professionally. All the other talk, well talk is cheap folks, you think it was done wrong, or could be done better ... show me

[Sam]

And actually... DeuceDropper has been a TD of Oregon Series events... in Bend. That should probably give it away sufficiently.

It's funny. I can barely see Jerry Miller's lips moving when JubJub posts.

At the risk of inspiring him to respond again, Jub... in your mathematics... what does the 9 represent? Number of events? I have to tell you... your argument would be stronger if you got your facts right. Not strong, mind you... but stronger, anyway.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Sam

And actually... DeuceDropper has been a TD of Oregon Series events... in Bend. That should probably give it away sufficiently.

It's funny. I can barely see Jerry Miller's lips moving when JubJub posts.

At the risk of inspiring him to respond again, Jub... in your mathematics... what does the 9 represent? Number of events? I have to tell you... your argument would be stronger if you got your facts right. Not strong, mind you... but stronger, anyway.

"And actually... DeuceDropper has been a TD of Oregon Series events... in Bend. That should probably give it away sufficiently."

Ok. See, now I'm seeing conspiracies too! Ahh, it's catching!

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Jeff, I actually did suggest several alternate titles for this thread. If it had been (like I suggested) "Thanks for all you have done..." then I would not have had any qualms about the thread. But to offer up such a claim without records seems like glad handing.

Efforts made

Most of the posts about how much Time and Effort goes into running an event were done by "the locals". There sweat and effort make the event.

You do offer some interesting questions though.

If the series coordinator's get some sort of compensation is the actual TD also considered as Series staff for that weekend?

Does sponsorship money come from series sponsors go to club? and conversely does local sponsorship money go back to series?

In other words
Does series keep all it's sponsor money or share it with events?
and Does series get a cut of the Local sponsorship?

Yet Another Question
What does the club/course receive form the series as compensation for hosting the event?

It is my understanding that:

The ORS Series was compensated for their direct expenses. (ie: travel).

The event TDs do thier own fund raising and that money stays within that specific event.

The only money the series collected from the events was a couple of bucks per entry for the series final points awards.

Yes, the local TDs put in a ton of work and it is their hard work that make each and every event a good one. However, it was the ORS series umbrella of organization that transformed those already good events into truly great ones.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

The ORS Series was compensated for their direct expenses. (ie: travel).

Only this past year was this the case. The previous years, they paid for these expenses out of pocket.

[Adam Schneider]

I don't understand what the brouhaha is. What if they HAD made a lot of money?

Seems to me they were providing a well-liked service at a fair price (I assume it was a fair price, since the events sold out, yes?). They can do anything they want with the money, as long as they haven't made promises they didn't keep.

If you pay a climbing gym for a rock-climbing session, do you demand to see their books afterwards so you can see where the money went?

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by Sam

And actually... DeuceDropper has been a TD of Oregon Series events... in Bend. That should probably give it away sufficiently.

It's funny. I can barely see Jerry Miller's lips moving when JubJub posts.

At the risk of inspiring him to respond again, Jub... in your mathematics... what does the 9 represent? Number of events? I have to tell you... your argument would be stronger if you got your facts right. Not strong, mind you... but stronger, anyway.

Well, I can say for one thing...It aint me

BUT, I suppose I can "chime in" on my thoughts as to why this thread was started......

Im pretty sure that "Duecedropper" is taking issue to the statement that the ORS staff has put approx $10,000 per yr out of its own pocket to run the Series, with out taking a dime, except for the past 2 yrs.

It makes it sound like they were OUT $10,000 a year......
to that "dueceDropper" & I (and others) call "BULLSHIT".

They might have well just told ALL Oregon DiscGolfers that we were a bunch of Morons that cant think or do any kind of Math.
(except JubJub he STILL cant do Math)

To ME this really sucks to feel this way...I personally like EVERYONE that has been involved with running the Oregon Series. Without them Oregon Disc Golf would not be where it is right now. I can fully except that they are "tired" and wish to do other things..BURN OUT happens. But ONE paragraph in the Series statement can be done without........

Ive tried to NOT get into the debates online....BUT Rumors fly...

[Sam]

Thinking about it, I don't think that I read it as "we made no money and even put $10,000 of our own money back in." I read it as, "we made some money and, of that money, we put $10,000 per year back in."

I am having a hard time comprehending why we should want our TDs and series coordinators to not make any money. Do we not want these people who are organizers to stick around to organize stuff for us to do? Seems pretty counter-intuitive to me.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Sam

Only this past year was this the case. The previous years, they paid for these expenses out of pocket.

Yeah, I wasn't sure if they started that last year or the year before, so I erred on the conservative side.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

I don't understand what the brouhaha is. What if they HAD made a lot of money?

Seems to me they were providing a well-liked service at a fair price (I assume it was a fair price, since the events sold out, yes?). They can do anything they want with the money, as long as they haven't made promises they didn't keep.

If you pay a climbing gym for a rock-climbing session, do you demand to see their books afterwards so you can see where the money went?

EXACTAMUNDO!!!!

I know I and presumably many of the other ORS participants would have paid MORE to kep the series running. The value for my money was outstanding.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Magilla

Well, I can say for one thing...It aint me

BUT, I suppose I can "chime in" on my thoughts as to why this thread was started......

Im pretty sure that "Duecedropper" is taking issue to the statement that the ORS staff has put approx $10,000 per yr out of its own pocket to run the Series, with out taking a dime, except for the past 2 yrs.

It makes it sound like they were OUT $10,000 a year......
to that "dueceDropper" & I (and others) call "BULLSHIT".

They might have well just told ALL Oregon DiscGolfers that we were a bunch of Morons that cant think or do any kind of Math.
(except JubJub he STILL cant do Math)

To ME this really sucks to feel this way...I personally like EVERYONE that has been involved with running the Oregon Series. Without them Oregon Disc Golf would not be where it is right now. I can fully except that they are "tired" and wish to do other things..BURN OUT happens. But ONE paragraph in the Series statement can be done without........

Ive tried to NOT get into the debates online....BUT Rumors fly...

Well then maybe deucedropper should have just said what he was thinking....

[Wes Hansen]

I can't believe people still argue with JubJub. At every turn he's demonstrated a willful disregard for facts and generally tried to create a negative impact on every thing he touches.

The Oregon Series events were among the best this country has to offer. Every member of the ORS crew, local TDs... deserves the gratitude of every player that came to an event.

I HOPE that the Bellingers and anyone else involved made some money. They deserve whatever profits they were able to earn. I wish it were more. At least enough to have kept them going.

This loss will set back DG in Oregon, at least for a year.

To those that entered ORS events, like JubJub, and then try to create animosity through badmouthing them... you are hypocrites of the worst order. Go away.

Wouldn't this entire forum be a better place if the powers that be simply removed Jub Jub from this site?

[all2common]

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean that he should be kicked off.

[Sam]

If JubJub were removed without provocation, we would be ODSA all over again. Hell, we would be JubJub at ODSA all over again. I think not.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by all2common

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean that he should be kicked off.

Yeah, that just guaranteed another six months of "I'm being censored" and conspiracy whining. Unless someone violates the rules I don't see any reason for banning. A person who has crapped themselves in public is certainly given the right to repeatedly proclaim the presence of the self-inflicted dooky without being exiled. Theoretically speaking of course.

[Wes Hansen]

Hey Magilla,
Why read things the way Jub Jub does?
I read that statement and, having a brain, understood what they were saying.
Sort of like your "bullshit" statement. Or implying that the ORS was calling DGers morons.
That was just you trying to stir crap right?
Aren't you the PDGA rep for OR? (Tell me no, so I don't have to vote against you next time.)
That's not the kind of representation we need right now.

[Wes Hansen]

OK- fine. He shouldn't be banned. i just like to think of him that way.
Now, back to how evil the Bellingers are.

[Sean Phillips]

Originally Posted by Sam

It's funny. I can barely see Jerry Miller's lips moving when JubJub posts.

Dude?!? you deserve to be punched in the mouth.


not a threat, just a thought.