ORS donates $80,000 to Oregon disc golf - Oregon Events

dEuCeDrOpPeR · #1 February 20th, 2009, 06:11 PM

News is here!

Sam · #2 February 20th, 2009, 07:08 PM

I always knew they were making money! I mean... how else could they have donated so much if they hadn't been making money?!

It's fun being crazy.

LJ Jubner · #3 February 20th, 2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dEuCeDrOpPeR

News is here!

Not sure how you got the $80K. I read the team spent about 10k per year for the series. Maybe better headline Ore Series Team donates 80k

It seems more like an explanation for why they decided not to continue the Ore series (Disclaimer) I realize Mags is rallying the troops so the series is not dead just under "new management" Hopefully with financial transparency as a cornerstone.

Sam · #4 February 20th, 2009, 07:17 PM

At the risk of threaddrift...

Reasons why JubJub thinks ORS was not financially transparent:
1. Jerry Miller says so and JubJub is part of Jerry's flock. I don't think that this is a ba-a-a-a-a-a-a-d thing, necessarily. Some people cannot be more than they are born to be.

Valid reasons for thinking this:
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D-Walk · #5 February 20th, 2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

At the risk of threaddrift...

Yanking the thread back on track,

I just wanted to thank the Bellingers for all that they have contributed to disc golf in OR. I, unfortunately, never got to play in an ORS event and was looking forward to playing in them this year but they have laid the ground work for continued greatness in our disc golf community.

Thank you you two.

Adam Schneider · #6 February 20th, 2009, 09:40 PM

The title of this thread makes it sound like they're taking all the profits they've earned over the years and are now giving that cash back to the disc golf community. But isn't this "headline" really just an odd way of saying, "The Bellingers have spent $80K of their own money to run ORS for the last 8 years"?

Sam · #7 February 20th, 2009, 10:10 PM

Or... all of the profit that has been speculated that they made over the years actually went back into the sport rather than into the yacht and the houses in the Caribbean and Europe... Ooops. I said too much.

Matt B. · #8 February 20th, 2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Or... all of the profit that has been speculated that they made over the years actually went back into the sport rather than into the yacht and the houses in the Caribbean and Europe... Ooops. I said too much.

Was the ORS a non-profit organization? Is there some other reason they would need or want to be financially transparent?

If I really like a store and its goods do I get some sort of right to know it's financial situation? Why would anyone think that?

That's just me, thinking outside of the box.

Back to the original topic, I'd like to thank the ORS team for all the good times, the camaraderie, the fun, and the incredible amount of time and effort they have given to grow the sport and put on the BEST series of tournaments in the NW. I was always in awe of the dedication it took to do that every month for seven months a year, and I was always thankful for all their work.

LJ Jubner · #9 February 21st, 2009, 07:16 AM

Yes, Cal the Ore series is non profit or least they wanted it to appear to be. If the series was a business then that would be a little different. Why no tax forms? Series paid out in cash or prizes that where not documented. Non profit or not these are the rules. If they were so benevolent then they should be saints so publish the books so you can be canonized

Once Again, Sam when you make the same statement it's fact but when I make it it's just absurd

If the thread had said
Bellingers are retiring
or
Ore series has new proprietors
or just
Thanks for all you have done would have been great

but Ore series donates 80k to DG needs some clarification.

TreeLove · #10 February 21st, 2009, 07:47 AM

Cut dEuCeDrOpPeR some slack, it was his/her first post ever.

Matt B. · #11 February 21st, 2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

Cut dEuCeDrOpPeR some slack, it was his/her first post ever.

Who is Deucedropper, anyway? Interesting subject matter for the first post since registering months ago. Deuce - you still there? I like the Homer Simpson pic on your profile.

I was not aware that the ORS was a non-profit organization, hence the questions. How do you get information like that? Do you have to work for the IRS? Because it sounds to me like someone is alleging that crimes have been committed.

Hey - as long as there is no name-calling going on!

LJ Jubner · #12 February 22nd, 2009, 08:20 AM

Maybe "Ore series gets T.A.R.P. money" would be the most accurate title

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Originally Posted by Caloch

I was not aware that the ORS was a non-profit organization, hence the questions. How do you get information like that? Do you have to work for the IRS? Because it sounds to me like someone is alleging that crimes have been committed.

Hey - as long as there is no name-calling going on!

Two years ago the ORE series went (or least said they were) non profit. .."Gonna hook up with special Olympics and get tons of sponsors".... Well, non profit is not all it cracked up to be. The sponsorships thing is still hard and you have to keep and show books (financial transparency).

If crimes have been committed they would be swept under the carpet just like last time.

Jim J · #13 February 24th, 2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Maybe "Ore series gets T.A.R.P. money" would be the most accurate title

Two years ago the ORE series went (or least said they were) non profit. .."Gonna hook up with special Olympics and get tons of sponsors".... Well, non profit is not all it cracked up to be. The sponsorships thing is still hard and you have to keep and show books (financial transparency).

If crimes have been committed they would be swept under the carpet just like last time.

Well here's my first post ever in this forum:

Anyone who thinks the ORS was a rip-off but still played in the events lacks either judgment or self-control or both.

Whether the ORS made money or lost money has no impact on my belief that they provided more bang for my entertainment dollar than any organization I have given my dollars to.

I hope they made a lot of money. They earned every last dime (which is probably the sum total of everything they earned).

snap7times · #14 February 24th, 2009, 11:15 PM

I've played tournaments in many different states, the ORS is just a tad notch ahead of everyone else in total package expirience, I thought they should have gotten at least $5 per entry fee towards their work before the 2008 season started.

LJ Jubner · #15 February 25th, 2009, 09:28 AM

$5 a head
Ave attendance at Ore series events

Specuation 160 x $5 =$800 per event x 9= $ 7200
Actual 160 x $3 = $480 x 9= $4300

God! who would not like that kinda of job espically when the locals do most of the work anyway! The series just shows up with cards and payout. Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me

LJ Jubner · #16 February 25th, 2009, 09:36 AM

A second thought Average entry fee for Ore series was say

$40 - $3 (TD fee per head). -$4 (to PDGA fee's) - $2 (ace pot that carries over), - $15 PP (includes crap trophies). So whats left for "over valued payout" $40 - $24 is a whopping $16 per player ( on average)

My question is Was the $10k/year donation before or after the $480/event payments

Scott · #17 February 25th, 2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

$5 a head
Ave attendance at Ore series events

Specuation 160 x $5 =$800 per event x 9= $ 7200
Actual 160 x $3 = $480 x 9= $4300

God! who would not like that kinda of job espically when the locals do most of the work anyway! The series just shows up with cards and payout. Thats a hell of a deal if you ask me

Have you ever attended an Oregon Series event? I think anyone who has would understand that a HELL of a lot of effort goes into them. Sponsorships, course cleanup (might be done by locals, but someone is organizing those work parties), fundraising tournaments, setting up tourney central, staffing tourney central.... I could go on and on and on.... They do a lot more than show up and collect their money.

snap7times · #18 February 25th, 2009, 10:30 AM

Website operation, Fliers, registration, communicating, must spend one full weekend for 7 months straight plus 2-4 fundraiser tournaments. Traveling, pulling the trailer and much more... Even at $7200 split several ways for 7 tournaments x 3 days = 21 days minimum at tournament central running tournaments. Who will operate the trailer/goods and the money now... care to donate to ODDGA?

Bullseye · #19 February 25th, 2009, 11:12 AM

Jub,

As someone who has watched, participated and very much appreciated the immense efforts of the ORS series staff, I am disgusted by your never ending criticisms. Year after year, the ORS series staff put in hours of work to bring us all the most professionally run tournaments I have ever participated in. To have you sit here and call to question their motivation is, in my opinion, a joke. If you think the ORS series staff was getting rich off these tournaments I think you as sorely mistaken.

Yes, the subject line of this thread could have been a bit clearer, but rather than clarify the subject line, once again, you took the opportunity to bad mouth some of the most dedicated advocates of disc golf in our area. I have nothing but good things to say about the ORS staff and Bellingers in particular.

Jeff H

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Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

A second thought Average entry fee for Ore series was say

$40 - $3 (TD fee per head). -$4 (to PDGA fee's) - $2 (ace pot that carries over), - $15 PP (includes crap trophies). So whats left for "over valued payout" $40 - $24 is a whopping $16 per player ( on average)

My question is Was the $10k/year donation before or after the $480/event payments

LJ Jubner · #20 February 25th, 2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Jub,

As someone who has watched, participated and very much appreciated the immense efforts of the ORS series staff, I am disgusted by your never ending criticisms. Year after year, the ORS series staff put in hours of work to bring us all the most professionally run tournaments I have ever participated in. To have you sit here and call to question their motivation is, in my opinion, a joke. If you think the ORS series staff was getting rich off these tournaments I think you as sorely mistaken.

Yes, the subject line of this thread could have been a bit clearer, but rather than clarify the subject line, once again, you took the opportunity to bad mouth some of the most dedicated advocates of disc golf in our area. I have nothing but good things to say about the ORS staff and Bellingers in particular.

Jeff H

Jeff, I actually did suggest several alternate titles for this thread. If it had been (like I suggested) "Thanks for all you have done..." then I would not have had any qualms about the thread. But to offer up such a claim without records seems like glad handing.

Efforts made

Most of the posts about how much Time and Effort goes into running an event were done by "the locals". There sweat and effort make the event.

You do offer some interesting questions though.

If the series coordinator's get some sort of compensation is the actual TD also considered as Series staff for that weekend?

Does sponsorship money come from series sponsors go to club? and conversely does local sponsorship money go back to series?

In other words
Does series keep all it's sponsor money or share it with events?
and Does series get a cut of the Local sponsorship?

Yet Another Question
What does the club/course receive form the series as compensation for hosting the event?