Risk/Reward and Trojan - Page 2 - Disc Golf

Scott · #21 February 9th, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Funny you should mention this Scott, as it is exactly what is happening in pdga events in the mid west and eastern areas. There was an article on this, but I wasn't able to find it to post a link at this time. When I find it I'll pass it along.

I've read about that, and don't think I would like it. How does that reward a great shot? Totally random.

Scott · #22 February 9th, 2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gwillim

I love Trojan, it's one of my favourite courses. I love the challenge, I love the mental strain, and I even love throwing discs in the water. There's no other place in the NW that I have played that makes you really have to trust your abilities. If I throw a disc in the water, I do so knowing and accepting the risk (less a tree knack or something) beforehand.

Yeah, but you've got to admit that you and Bob are not the same golfer.
I think even Bob would admit that.

I think the majority of advanced/pro players really like this course.
Those of us with less game just have to be masochistic to play it.

I'm with Sean Philips - I do not recommend this course to newer players. In fact, I actively discourage it.

Dave Pittman · #23 February 9th, 2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

I think the paths OB started when the OR Series ran an event there. Prior to that, only the water and parking lots were OB.

The path and across at Trojan has always been OB on holes 1-5. Quoting Jerry Miller with misspelling “hole 1 thru 5, on or accross the path towards the lake is O.B.”.

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Originally Posted by jevon

I pretty much always play a path as OB, just never played OVER a path as OB at Trojan.

It has been my experience that whether a path, sidewalk or road delineates OB as it runs parallel to the fairway or behind a green, that across is OB as well.
When you are throwing across a path/road that runs perpendicular to the hole between tee and green it usually is only be the path/road as OB, Whistler’s top of the world hole (14) for example. That hole actually has both cases of OB…
Adair has a paved walking path from the road to the tennis courts that cuts across 17’s fairway between the short and long pin positions. It is not OB per general course rules. However it can and has been used as OB in tournament play. Additional OB’s or mando’s for tournament play is up to the tournament director and shouldn’t be unexpected.

Sausage Fingers · #24 February 9th, 2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Pittman

Additional OB’s or mando’s for tournament play is up to the tournament director and shouldn’t be unexpected.

Thanks Dave! I was just going to point that out, but you beat me to it!

I had my best drive to date on hole 3 yesterday. Waaay down by the basket, but the disc skipped (or was blown by the wind) just OB on the path by no more than 2-3 inches from a safe throw.

zippyboy · #25 February 9th, 2009, 09:35 PM

Wow. I suppose I should chime in on this now...

Paths as OB: Meh. Play that way, don't play that way. Whatever. You need more challenge? Make the paths and over OB (by the way, there is no "pathway" on hole one, and if you don't throw over the path on hole two, you won't get to the basket). If not, I think the water alone provides enough of a challenge.

Risk/reward: Being our home course, we (the 'Nation) have lost many discs to the Gods (see also: beavers) of Trojan. However, we also are well versed in the uses of floating discs. Slag on the Lightning discs all you want, we lose much less plastic than most of the rest of you do playing here, and we play this course a lot more often.

Not a course for beginners: BS. In fact, Trojan is one hell of a course to learn on. I learned to swear REALLY LOUDLY on this course. And, I also learned how disc golf SHOULD be played - much like a game of chess - thinking one or two throws ahead, and how to best navigate a hole based upon skill level, distance limitations, and the discs in your bag.

Personally, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I feel spoiled that Trojan is my home course. I feel even more spoiled that my home away from home course is the Mud. Two of the most beautiful and challenging courses in the NW. I love em.

Brian · #26 February 10th, 2009, 02:55 AM

I like Trojan .. and I like that others like Trojan too. Keep going for it first shot .. if it isn't a birdie you didn't try hard enough!

Maybe I can become part of the nation!?!?

Sean Phillips · #27 February 10th, 2009, 09:14 AM

I feel the need to clarify my position on the paths/OB discussion.

At trojan, holes 3,5,6,7 have paths paralleling fairways and I play them as, on or over = OB. I'm pretty sure Jerry Miller designed the course with that in mind, however the TD has the final call.

All of the "old school" disc golfers I have ever played with play concrete (road or paths) as water/OB. So I've adopted that mind set. It may be unfair or random at times, but you should know where it is.

On the "random circles of OB in PDGA tourneys" topic. This has been implemented in tourneys here in the NW. Festivus and Triple shot elimination to name two. Usually the TD puts circles of OB in strategic places to make a hole more difficult or more of a risk/reward hole. In all the tourneys I've played where this was implemented I've liked it.

keys · #28 February 10th, 2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

I'm with Sean Philips - I do not recommend this course to newer players. In fact, I actively discourage it.

I disagree, Trojan is a great place to learn to play. Trojan was the first 18 hole course I ever played and it frustrated the hell out of me at the beginning, but I was still hooked. Here are the reasons why.

1.) The place is dead most days. You will never get rushed by other groups. You can really take your time.
2.) If you do run into other disc golfers, they are always very cool. The first people I ran into out there were Mitch and Corey. Enough Said!
3.) When you do finally make that risky shot over the water, you are super stoked. Nothing feels beter when you first start playing, hell it still feels pretty good now.
4.) Trojan has a great mix of shots and hole lengths.
5.) Its one of the most beautiful courses in the state!
6.) Its got huge roomy tee pads!

My advise to beginners playing Trojan is to invest in a roll of string and floating plastic. May I suggest the dragon.

Ol' Bob · #29 February 10th, 2009, 11:46 AM

I really should put together a Trojan bag (even though I have only one disc out there {or in Brian's collection now}). Mitch, we need to talk about setting me up with the right floaters (and a Pocket Fisherman).

Tennessee · #30 February 10th, 2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by "Over the Hill" Bob

We all lose disc's playing our sport and we expect to but with the volume of disc's lost in the water at Trojan I have to wonder is it worth it?

Bob

After reading everyones opinion (excluding Scott's) i think the answer to your original question is yes.

zippyboy · #31 February 10th, 2009, 09:00 PM

Brian - despite our differences in disc returning opinions, you are more than welcome to be part of the 'Nation. All we ask is that you join at least two (or more) of the founding 'Nation members for a round out there (and a beverage or two).

Bob - I would be more than happy to hook you up with some Trojan plastic. Also, I now have your bag straps.

Sean - What about the path on eight, nine, and twelve (regarding "over the path" being out of bounds)?

Keys - All your points about Trojan are spot on. However, we have been (slowly) starting to see more and more people out there. As much as its nice to have a course to ones self, it is better to see more people throwing things out there...

Sean Phillips · #32 February 11th, 2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyboy

Sean - What about the path on eight, nine, and twelve (regarding "over the path" being out of bounds)?

Good question, I forgot about those holes.

8-Ken Gilmore shot over the path on eight, first time I've seen it happen and we called it OB.

9-I'd call the path to the left OB, but it's never come into play in any of my groups. I could see it coming into play for somebody that can't throw over the water and is looking for a conservative way to play the hole. It's a toss up.

12-If I were TDing a tourney I'd call it on or over=OB, but I'm a bastard and that hole is intimidating enough already. I've played this hole both ways, I don't believe Jerry Miller intended the path as an OB line, but concrete=OB so on the path would be OB.

How does the Nation play the holes?

Swampthing · #33 February 11th, 2009, 09:28 AM

Hey Zippy, do you know Haley's contact info? I found a white Avenger SS that has his/her name on it. I called the # but didn't get a response.

Also, I would like to be apart of the Nation. What are the rules for joining. I have played Trojan once and loved it. I didn't do that well (first yr player). But to see plastic flying over water just did something for me! Anyway let me know and I'd like to play with some of you guys over there sometime.

Scott · #34 February 11th, 2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Swampthing

you know Haley's contact info? I found a white Avenger SS that has his/her name on it. I called the # but didn't get a response.

You can send a PM to her man, Tennessee (Matt Crider) who is now on this forum.

"Over the Hill" Bob · #35 February 11th, 2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennessee

After reading everyones opinion (excluding Scott's) i think the answer to your original question is yes.

It DOES appear that way. Must just be me being unemployed and not want to lose plastic.

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opinion (excluding Scott's)

Ask him, I always do!

Bob

Swampthing · #36 February 11th, 2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

You can send a PM to her man, Tennessee (Matt Crider) who is now on this forum.

Someone just gave me her #. Called and left a message. Thanks for the info!

Ol' Bob · #37 February 11th, 2009, 11:15 AM

I guess I'm often across the path (and in the stinkin' brush) on 8. No safe shot for the short drive artists.

all2common · #38 February 11th, 2009, 11:24 AM

Play the bridge!

Ol' Bob · #39 February 11th, 2009, 11:32 AM

Perhaps you're right, I'll look at it differently next time I'm there.

zippyboy · #40 February 11th, 2009, 10:56 PM

Sean, to answer you question about how the 'Nation plays the holes in question - poorly. Seriousness aside, as we have the course to ourselves so often, we only worry about the water and the highway. The rest of it, we just don't care about. Please keep in mind that we are all mostly players who throw for recreation, and are not typically tourney players.

Personally, were I to TD an event there, all asphalt would be OB, beyond the path on 3 would be out, the right of the path from six would be out (only to upper divisions, though), the path to the left of seven would be out, the path to the left of eight would be out for upper divisions only, same with the path to the left of nine. The path on the right of 12 would be out for everyone. Oh, and the path to the left of 15 would be out for everyone, too.

Hope this helps.

Also, Swampthing (and anyone else), to become part of the 'Nation, all you have to do is make it through 18 holes at Trojan with two or more members of the original 'Nation. Easiest way to do that is to PM me in advance.

~Z