Smoke Free?

[emmarose]

Originally Posted by JMan

Leslie and I were in a group a few years ago and I stayed on the right side of the wind and we had no worries. It's about respect, on both sides...but make no mistake, I smoke like a freaking chimney. I don't need the permission of my group provided I am curtious, and I refuse to apologize for paying more in taxes than other Americans. Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American; if you ask me to stop I question your commitment to this great nation.

So Sam, let's get together for a Tuesday evening round....

casual round, no, you don't need permission... but, correct me if i'm wrong, tournament round you do need the group's permission... j, i know you don't play many tourney's... perhaps this is just another reason why... and i have noticed just in the couple times that i have been around you that you in fact are quite courteous about... courteous enough that i even noted to myself, "oh, that's nice he stepped away... wish he'd a bummed me one, tho..."

[JMan]

Well of course I'd ask, my point is that asking is not mandatory. And I thank you Em for noticing I am a courteous smoker, my vice should not annoy anyone. Believe me folks, all you drinkers out there, well drinking is as repugnant to me as smoking is to you; the smell, the behavior...please. But thanks Em. Which would you prefer? organic menthol, or Indonesian? I don't smoke domestic, too many additives, and way to low of a nicotine content.

Here's a question to get back on track...what about e-cigs folks? Any smoke you think you see is really steam...but try and convince a security guard at Wa. Sq.; talk about folks who have no sense of humor... But what about it folks...nicotine injection for us drug dependent folks...insert wink wink, nudge nudge here...no smoke for those of you happy to breathe all that good clean nitrogen/oxygen+.

[Ol' Bob]

Maybe I've been wrong.

More doctors smoke Camels...

I can't get her T-zone out of my mind.

[HarrisonH]

Originally Posted by Ol' Bob

Maybe I've been wrong.

More doctors smoke Camels...

I can't get her T-zone out of my mind.

Goddam these advertisements are just so unreal!!! Makes me wonder how dumb and unfounded the advertisements of today will look in 60+ years... I'm lookin' at you, Levitra, Cialis, Extenze, etc....

[Ol' Bob]

Today's ads are New and Improved.

Here's an interesting read:

[ChUcK]

Originally Posted by emmarose

correct me if i'm wrong, tournament round you do need the group's permission

You are wrong.

[Scott]

801.01 E: E. Courtesy dictates that players who smoke should not allow their smoke to disturb other players. Smokers should extinguish their cigarettes and carry their cigarette butts to a trash can. Disposing of cigarette butts by dropping them on the ground is littering.

Nothing is said about asking first.

[Adam Schneider]

Originally Posted by Scott

Nothing is said about asking first.

But if you don't, you're a douchebag.

[ChUcK]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

But if you don't, you're a douchebag.

Sigh. Again, wrong.

[Toby Puttzinski]

There should be a rule of no smoking within 25 feet of any tee pad or another player's lie. When you're at the tee of some of these tighter courses, there's no getting away from the smoke.
Also, quit throwing your damn cigarette butts on the fairways, around the greens, and near the tee pad!!!

Sure there's many smoking dg'ers that have a spot in their bag for their butts, (and I would venture to guess that if you're reading this and are a smoking dg'er, you respect the game/course/mother earth enough not to throw your butts on the ground) but for every one of those that 'pitches in', there's three more BUTT-heads using the park as their ashtray. For a while there, Mike Wagner(N Park veteran) would pick up hundreds of cigarette butts daily at North Park, only to face hundreds of reinforcements the next morning.... frustrating.

[CMC206]

That makes me so pissed when I see that shit and I'm a smoker.. Or was. I have just quit for almost 2 weeks.

[Parks]

I think that the PDGA already has rules for courtesy violations and does not need to stack this on top of those rules.

[Lyounger]

Originally Posted by Scott

801.01 E: E. Courtesy dictates that players who smoke should not allow their smoke to disturb other players. Smokers should extinguish their cigarettes and carry their cigarette butts to a trash can. Disposing of cigarette butts by dropping them on the ground is littering.

Nothing is said about asking first.

At what point in a PDGA sanctioned event do the 801.01 Courtesy rules come into effect?

Is it after the two minute warning and untill the cards are turned in?

Is it anytime you are on the course the event is played at?

What if you are cussing and kicking your bag and breaking branches and littering between rounds? Do the courtesy rules apply at that point?

[Magilla]

This just in.....

The PDGA has installed a BAN on Smoking during the 2011 PRO and AM World Championships.

Didnt think it would ever happen...cant say that Im sad to see it though.

http://www.pdga.com/worlds-smoking-ban

Discuss............

[TYVEK]

im not a smoker, i still think this is an absolute horrible idea. when the pdga starts making rules like this, it really makes me question weather i want to be a member of this organization. they DO NOT have my support in this action, and i hope MORE people will stand up and tell the pdga that they do not support this either.

[mine all mine]

I think this is a great idea. Why should I as a non-smoker have to figure out which way the wind is blowing so I know where to stand?

[TYVEK]

Originally Posted by mine all mine

I think this is a great idea. Why should I as a non-smoker have to figure out which way the wind is blowing so I know where to stand?

well you could just enjoy the smell of the smoke. its not that bad smelling. the bad smell comes from after the smoking is done and you smell the stale smell all over the person.

smoking is a personal right that should not be squashed. its just smoke, and a few breathes of it here and there is not going to "poison you or kill you" as some has previsouly stated.

[Ol' Bob]

No one seems to take note that some people are quite sensitive to the toxins and varied carcinogens emitted in cigarette smoke to the point where it is painful for them. If someone thinks it smells okay, and they personally don't feel any discomfort, is their notion beyond question?

Listen, no one should have the right to toxify another's air. The shit is proven toxic. Any efforts to protect unwilling persons from having to breathe it should be applauded. Everyone is free to go where there is no one to complain and poison themselves and any other persons willing to be there if they so choose. If they had always done this, this wouldn't even be a question. Smokers should not be free to sort out those willing to breathe their smoke by smoking up the area and seeing who goes away.



It's interesting that the legal smoke is highly toxic and the illegal smoke isn't.

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by TYVEK

im not a smoker, i still think this is an absolute horrible idea. when the pdga starts making rules like this, it really makes me question weather i want to be a member of this organization. they DO NOT have my support in this action, and i hope MORE people will stand up and tell the pdga that they do not support this either.

More and more Parks in Cali are banning smoking already. Not sure if this is the case in Santa Cruz/Monterey. I will say that the courses there will be VERY dry in August and it may have ALOT to do with Fire Danger.

[Adam Schneider]

De La Veaga bans smoking during the fire season. Two other local courses (Aptos & Black Mouse) forbid smoking because they're on school grounds.