TD's getting paid

[LJ Jubner]

Alright, already It's pretty clear that at least a couple of the Open players panties are in wad. I say How does it feel to be treated like an Am Player same human, but treated like a lower class. Like it? It sure does not sound like it to me.

First of All The Winner is just fine with me taking $8 per player.
Second I though foolishly so that if paid some expenses but did not claim them I take a standard deduction to cover there costs as well as some of my own. My mistake you ungrateful bastards. So just to screw you one last time I am expenseing everything including the only taking the joke $100 for the C tier. and realize that I will and I know you will agree but because of a few players Opens Fields are not worth the headaches. A few ass hats ruined it for all of you. I will publish the finances's page of the CSI Open weekend

For all you bistanders get a good look because (unless you run an event) you will never see this again the TD's don't have the balls to do it.

[Skookum]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

before any of you question why marks pissed why dont you go to the CSI forum and read the formula ive posted. It shows that 356% extra money was taken into the TDs pocket than allowed by PDGA standards. If i was stealing a disc out of everyones bag i played with would you let me play tournaments?

Well Standards are not rules(right?) they are more like encouraged guide lines. The PDGA sanctioning agreement does not specify any thing about TD compensation. There for Jub is completly with in his rights to take what ever percentage he deems fair. That being said I would think that any deviations from PDGA Standards in a PDGA event should be front loaded.

Ok I just checked on it and my statement is only true if Jub got a waiver from the PDGA or the event is not a "tour" event(But I think at least all A,B,C tiers are tour events.) Number one item on the sanctioning agreement:

"As the Tournament Director of record, I hereby accept the terms of the PDGA Tour Sanctioning Agreement and agree to the following points listed below.
Agree to follow and enforce the Official Rules of Disc Golf, Competition Manual, and Tour Standards. If any provision of these documents is unacceptable I shall contact the Tour Manager and request a waiver."

I never really noticed that Tour Standards was right at the top. The Tour Standards document seem fairly clear on subject of TD compensation.

I would like, if nothing else positive comes for this dialog, to at least have an understanding of if this was done correctly, or if Jub wanted to be compensate above the standard rate for a "C" tier should it have been done another way? I know a popular production company in Oregon that puts on amazing tournament as a team and take a $500 flat fee from the sponsorship pool that they themselves go out and gather. So they don't touch entrance fees for their compensation. This method feels fair to me and based on what I think I understand from the sanctioning agreement and Tour Standards is allowed.

I know folks are riled up about this and I am truly not trying to fan the flames but I feel like there is some good that can come from this conversation despite the occasional lack of decorum.

[chris7graham]

the odds of getting hit by lightning are 2500000 to 1
the odds of td getting money dont know dont care
am I not going to go outside no more because I could get hit by lightning no
am I not going to play tournaments no more because TD gets money no
dude this is the oldest news every so last year people know that TD's get some money and some dont who cares ,if you dont like dont play!!!! plain and simple

[JMan]

i think your cash odds are better chris if you have me on the card...eh? and play at Hornings...
love ya man,
j

[sillybizz]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

this thread is for players that compete so take your non competing ass to another thread hippy

Flagged.

[JMan]

Ouch...oh I compete, but it seems, i can also separate self worth and disc...if thats hippy, well, ouch

[Sam]

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[DoubleDees]

my hate is not directed at Jub. it is directed at the lack of following the rules that we are bound to by PDGA rules and tour standards. it doesn't matter who was running the tournament or where i finished my voice would be heard just as loudly.

I do not disagree with a TD being compensated FAIRLY. If legwork had been done and sponsorship money had been accrued then this would not be an issue.

TDs have and will continue to get persecuted for operating outside the rules of the pdga. Just as players have and will continue to be bound by the rules of the pdga.

[Sam]

Hey... at least the winner got more than a Snickers bar...

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Alright, already It's pretty clear that at least a couple of the Open players panties are in wad. I say How does it feel to be treated like an Am Player same human, but treated like a lower class. Like it? It sure does not sound like it to me.

First of All The Winner is just fine with me taking $8 per player.
Second I though foolishly so that if paid some expenses but did not claim them I take a standard deduction to cover there costs as well as some of my own. My mistake you ungrateful bastards. So just to screw you one last time I am expenseing everything including the only taking the joke $100 for the C tier. and realize that I will and I know you will agree but because of a few players Opens Fields are not worth the headaches. A few ass hats ruined it for all of you. I will publish the finances's page of the CSI Open weekend

For all you bistanders get a good look because (unless you run an event) you will never see this again the TD's don't have the balls to do it.

here is the link for the PDGA finances pdf and a copy of the INWS guidlines


All
Tournaments must have a flyer/registration form and TD’s must
forward a copy (digital preferred) to the Series Coordinators
four weeks before the day of your event so that it can be posted to the Web and sent to the other TD’s.
All flyers must state that the tournament is an Inland Nortwest Series event.

All divisions must be honored. Divisions with only 1 or 2 competitors are not eligible to receive trophies unless the TD chooses to provide them.
All events must have a minimum of 36 holes of play. Player
pack value must not exceed 1½ times the cost of the player pack.
Pro divisions must be paid out at a minimum of 40%.
Am divisions must be paid out at a minimum of 45%.
$4 must be deducted from each entry and turned in to the Series
Coordinators for the Series Overall Payout.
$2 may be deducted from each entry as the Host Fee.
$1 may be deducted from each entry as the Trophy Fee.


These guidelines were not created in a rush, actually they have evolved over a five year period and they work quite well.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

why would i take it off web?

So you can stop braying like a donkey in public?

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

before any of you question why marks pissed why dont you go to the CSI forum and read the formula ive posted. It shows that 356% extra money was taken into the TDs pocket than allowed by PDGA standards. If i was stealing a disc out of everyones bag i played with would you let me play tournaments?

Here is a link to the CSI forum:

http://www.boardratsboard.com/

[sillybizz]

No this is the real CSI Forum

[chris7graham]

Originally Posted by JMan

i think your cash odds are better chris if you have me on the card...eh? and play at Hornings...
love ya man,
j

Agreed

[CMC206]

I saw a bumper sticker on some disc golfers car at the Auburn Ice Bowl. It was a blue Audi I think and it simply said. ''Vag more. Wank Less.'' I agree with this and the fact that the CSI was a great tourney. I have no complaints. The moral of this post is to calm down, get laid, and throw how ya like. Don't be a wanker!

[vapor]

This thread is a tough read. More commas please.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

No this is the real CSI Forum

Love me some RickRoll!

[sillybizz]

LOL! A little pre April Fools for you all.

[Mikk]

Originally Posted by CMC206

I saw a bumper sticker on some disc golfers car at the Auburn Ice Bowl. It was a blue Audi I think and it simply said. ''Vag more. Wank Less.'' I agree with this and the fact that the CSI was a great tourney. I have no complaints. The moral of this post is to calm down, get laid, and throw how ya like. Don't be a wanker!

J Moneys Audi I think????

[REDFIVE]

Wow.

Mark you sound like an ass.

Not as much what you say as how you say. But still quite a bit of what you say. Relax.

I think TDs should get something.
I think Jub got too much.
End of the world? Not likely.

Moving on.