TD's getting paid - Page 2 - Disc Golf

LJ Jubner · #21 March 31st, 2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

sillybizz your a dumbass for putting out a tip jar. everyone wants to profit off doing something can not just help or volunteer there time. Have been playing and helping for 20 years and not once did it put money in my pocket. I donate my time maybe some of you should to

This is a good one I am pretty sure Mark I have performed more volunteerisum hours in half the time you have been playing and what you call helping

JMan · #22 March 31st, 2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

I do not agree with TD's getting paid for x-c-b tiers !!!!!
All the players that are at the work parties are not getting paid so why should the TD? There are other players helping out like the club members should they be paid also?
This is a problem that we are coming up against and i think we as players should END it this year.
We need to make these TD's that are going to take money for themselves make that known before we sign up and pay, not Sunday morning when we have no say to change it. We are there to golf and compete not dicker with the TD over payout.
WE AS PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE THIS!!!! STAND UP AND SAY NO MORE
Ask all TD'S before you sign up if they are taking money out to pay themselves. better yet lets make them post it in the flyer or online so we know.
The more this happens and TD's get away with it the harder it will be to change it later. WE AS PLAYERS CAN STOP THIS

This arguemant is so last year, welcome to the DG community bro, but you are way behind on beating this very dead horse. Type in the key words in the search engine, you'll see. I bet you consider your time worth something, or do you work for free; most would doubt your willingness to put in hundreds of hours, and then be criticized for it, without any form of compensation. So get over it dude, try running a few before you start condeming those who do. Sorry to come off heavy handed, but believe me, the greater part of the seattle & pdx DG community has moved on, you might want to join us.

JMan · #23 March 31st, 2011, 01:20 PM

And Jub...dude, controversy follows you like crows...and it's a bummer as you really are a nice guy... ah well, something to discuss I guess...

RonTheWhip · #24 March 31st, 2011, 01:22 PM

Ok, well I can see where this thread is going.

How about Jub and Kilmer call eachother and take this conversation off the web.

In terms of volunteering, its not really a contest is it? I've never heard of poeple volunteering just so they can claim they give more to the sport than the next guy. Most folks do it because they believe in the cause. I know both of you two care tremendously about the sport and have strong feelings about its direction. However, your personal dogmas are just that, personal. Mark, Don't feel like you have to force your "volunteer for love, not for money" doctrines on everyone who particpates in the game. And Jub, I really wish that these allegations are untrue, cause in my eyes that indeed is a pretty steep dip into entry fees.

There are other perspectives and oppertunities in this sport. I am a professional in the game, and wish to pursue it as a potential career and help pay the bills. I try to grow the sport because its growth allows me more oppertunities to stay in the game longer.

Hope this issue can be resolved with civil tongues...but come on, who am I kidding.

Tim · #25 March 31st, 2011, 01:24 PM

This thread is a great example of why disc golf isn't going to be hitting it big any time soon.

sillybizz · #26 March 31st, 2011, 01:33 PM

I've got something for this thread....

snap7times · #27 March 31st, 2011, 02:16 PM

TD's deserve to keep something, whether it be cash or prizes for the work they do. I have been to tournaments where it is obvious that the TD put in hundreds of hours of prep work into the tournament as well as tournaments where it looked like the TD thought they could pull off the same job as the hundred hour TD, but in less than 10 hours of prep work, hahahaha is all i can say to those who think they can do it in less than 10 hours of prep work. There is a huge difference in how things flow and quality of the tournament. There are guidelines on the PDGA as Chuck posted for how much a TD can pocket.
I have TD more than 15 tournaments and only kept a prize or 2 from 1 or 2 tournaments while the others were done free; more than half of my tournaments I hosted were more than 3 hours away from where I was living!
And not to mention, I built a flipping dg course which takes alot of time away from my family, but that's the same story as most TD's, they donate so much time, they deserve a little prize at the end sometimes. To anyone who thinks Disc Golf should be 100 percent free, needs to reevaluate how the world works.

Discgolfingkilmers · #28 March 31st, 2011, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

Ok, well I can see where this thread is going.

How about Jub and Kilmer call eachother and take this conversation off the web.

In terms of volunteering, its not really a contest is it? I've never heard of poeple volunteering just so they can claim they give more to the sport than the next guy. Most folks do it because they believe in the cause. I know both of you two care tremendously about the sport and have strong feelings about its direction. However, your personal dogmas are just that, personal. Mark, Don't feel like you have to force your "volunteer for love, not for money" doctrines on everyone who particpates in the game. And Jub, I really wish that these allegations are untrue, cause in my eyes that indeed is a pretty steep dip into entry fees.

There are other perspectives and oppertunities in this sport. I am a professional in the game, and wish to pursue it as a potential career and help pay the bills. I try to grow the sport because its growth allows me more oppertunities to stay in the game longer.

Hope this issue can be resolved with civil tongues...but come on, who am I kidding.

why would i take it off web?
I brought it here for all to see that this is where it is going that as players we need to ask more questions of our TD's. If your a good TD then you don't have to worry, but if your jub you will have to worry. where is all that support now for jub? and jub since you get paid you are not volunteering and my dad can beat up your dad!

mazza · #29 March 31st, 2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

my dad can beat up your dad!

now thats the all time bestest burn ever

.....jub got daddy burned.

sorry just trying to lighten the mood....so sorry if it wasn't that funny

JMan · #30 March 31st, 2011, 02:36 PM

Jub has said time and time again that his tournements and their finances are conducted in the open, so why don't you just ask him. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to put those figures right here in this tread...jub? And come on, stop trying to stir up an old whorenets nest. We are not impressed or amused by your obvious dislike for Jub, but we are tired of it, from any quarter. Please, take it up with jub, and realize that the majority here believe it OK for a TD to be compensated for their time and effort...for god sakes man catch up or wait for the next bus to the corner of beata and dead horse...really, this is pathetic...

Discgolfingkilmers · #31 March 31st, 2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Jub has said time and time again that his tournements and their finances are conducted in the open, so why don't you just ask him. I'm sure he'd be more than happy to put those figures right here in this tread...jub? And come on, stop trying to stir up an old whorenets nest. We are not impressed or amused by your obvious dislike for Jub, but we are tired of it, from any quarter. Please, take it up with jub, and realize that the majority here believe it OK for a TD to be compensated for their time and effort...for god sakes man catch up or wait for the next bus to the corner of beata and dead horse...really, this is pathetic...

jman your saying its ok for a td to make more than the event winner? I'm sorry i should of call you and got permission to voice my opinion on this disc golf site. There is a reason these TD's don't post this info before an event we would not play if we knew they were taking more money then the winner
as far as pathetic, hope you are not allergic to hornets!
Just because you think its ok does not mean i have to.

DoubleDees · #32 March 31st, 2011, 03:05 PM

before any of you question why marks pissed why dont you go to the CSI forum and read the formula ive posted. It shows that 356% extra money was taken into the TDs pocket than allowed by PDGA standards. If i was stealing a disc out of everyones bag i played with would you let me play tournaments?

D.L. · #33 March 31st, 2011, 03:19 PM

sillybizz · #34 March 31st, 2011, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DoubleDees

before any of you question why marks pissed why dont you go to the CSI forum and read the formula ive posted. It shows that 356% extra money was taken into the TDs pocket than allowed by PDGA standards. If i was stealing a disc out of everyones bag i played with would you let me play tournaments?

That's a different discussion than most people's rebuttal on this thread. He said he doesn't believe TD's should get paid period, this is what I and most people on this thread disagree with. I don't know anything about Jub taking more money than he was supposed to but that is a different reason why people are upset in this thread.

Chuck Kennedy · #35 March 31st, 2011, 03:24 PM

If it was a PDGA event, his TD report will have to show the finances in regard to this and it should get flagged if it's out of line.

JMan · #36 March 31st, 2011, 03:25 PM

Not saying that, and jub and controversy go together like peas and carrots. I don't play many tourneys at all because I really hate the idea of paying 100 bucks to play a park I can play for free...I don't play DG to rate myself against my fellow golfers so why would I pay to play any tourney that promotes the idea that I am better than you because I shot better on that day...please. But should a TD get $ for their hard work...fuck yes...should it be more than the winner, I don't know, but isn't that between Jub and DF, unless you won then it would concern you. DF didn't look too pissed in the vid I saw. How is it you think TDs should not be compensated for all the work they put in, or is this really just your dislike of jub? Is this dislike new? If it's old then why the hell would you be playing in one of his events...that would be "two, shame on you." You are welcome to think that TDs should do this for free, that old hippy and DG thing, but I'll let you in on an old truth about the game, us old hippies who remember the beginning, and have been playing disc sports years before Steady Ed typing up the rules of this game would never have run a tourney without some type of compensation. Although it warms this old hippies heart to see some of the ideals still alive, it still speaks to a reality that likely will never been realized. Keep the faith my young hippy wanna-be, keep our drug affected dreams alive. But note, we would have done it without all the hate directed at jub...
Peace

Discgolfingkilmers · #37 March 31st, 2011, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Not saying that, and jub and controversy go together like peas and carrots. I don't play many tourneys at all because I really hate the idea of paying 100 bucks to play a park I can play for free...I don't play DG to rate myself against my fellow golfers so why would I pay to play any tourney that promotes the idea that I am better than you because I shot better on that day...please. But should a TD get $ for their hard work...fuck yes...should it be more than the winner, I don't know, but isn't that between Jub and DF, unless you won then it would concern you. DF didn't look too pissed in the vid I saw. How is it you think TDs should not be compensated for all the work they put in, or is this really just your dislike of jub? Is this dislike new? If it's old then why the hell would you be playing in one of his events...that would be "two, shame on you." You are welcome to think that TDs should do this for free, that old hippy and DG thing, but I'll let you in on an old truth about the game, us old hippies who remember the beginning, and have been playing disc sports years before Steady Ed typing up the rules of this game would never have run a tourney without some type of compensation. Although it warms this old hippies heart to see some of the ideals still alive, it still speaks to a reality that likely will never been realized. Keep the faith my young hippy wanna-be, keep our drug affected dreams alive. But note, we would have done it without all the hate directed at jub...
Peace

this thread is for players that compete so take your non competing ass to another thread hippy

Discgolfingkilmers · #38 March 31st, 2011, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sillybizz

That's a different discussion than most people's rebuttal on this thread. He said he doesn't believe TD's should get paid period, this is what I and most people on this thread disagree with. I don't know anything about Jub taking more money than he was supposed to but that is a different reason why people are upset in this thread.

no silly just stated the thread that way to get everyone in

ChUcK · #39 March 31st, 2011, 04:28 PM

Potential Sponsor: "You mean you are running this tournament without any compensation except for a few attaboys? You say the players demand that you break even? Gee, sounds like a real financial whizz-bang of an opportunity for my company. Here's a fistful of money for you."

yeah right.

I wish there were Tournament Directors who were able to make a comfortable living by doing nothing more than producing tournaments. Then we would be getting somewhere.

ChUcK · #40 March 31st, 2011, 04:30 PM

deleted. I cannot believe I logged in to post on this thread.