TD's getting paid

[Parks]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

if you read everything you wont ask stupid questions.

There were no questions in my post.

[sillybizz]

PWNED!

[LJ Jubner]

Ed when was the last time you actually went out and hunted sponsorships? or TD?

Sponsorship? Actual promotion of someone/thing with some sort of "measurable benefits" back to them.

The Am weekend had 7 cash sponsors to the total of $300, 1 goods to $75. The rest were all trade out/ cross promoting either events, efforts or businesses.
$100 pDGA, $200 for trophies.

By splitting weekends there was no residual place to ADVERTISE and therefore BENEFIT for sponsoring of both weekends. Is it my fault sponsors ACTUALLY want something in RETURN besides a thank you? It's sure better then the FU I am getting.

Did the Opens get a shirt? No! So, why would anyone just hand over cash/trade with no hope of benefiting from it. I have stated over and over I choose to benefit the community by spending all my time working on the course then chasing sponsors for ungrateful people.

Lets not forget my (as it looks now generous offer) to bump either weekend up to B tier if attendance goals were met. and That the payout was posted on Sat afternoon and instead of discussing it then in person the instigator of this assault just wussed out.

I hope everyone else is as diligent as Ed is NOW at all the events they attend. And when you call the pDGA be nice to the person on the other end. They deal with players personal agendas all the time and DO appreciate a nice call once in awhile.

[DoubleDees]

Originally Posted by Parks

As far as I can tell, you didn't prove anything.

You claim that Jub made $450 off the tournament, but the finances sheet shows $132 at most.

Where did you prove that Jub made $450? It seems if Jub is the joke, then "your" the failed punchline.

heres one. want me to keep going?

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

heres one. want me to keep going?

Dexter I am curious what sanctioned open event you have won?

Did you mean won or run? There is a big difference, One's selfish the others not

[DoubleDees]

The last time i went and got a sponser was this weekend. I collected 100$ and spent a total of 10 minutes doing that. Maybe you shouldnt be lazy. Ive been around long enough and done enough legwork that we all know you cant question my knowledge of TDing or playing.

[DoubleDees]

i deleted that. didnt realize Hock was current so i looked at his history. He stated that he sometimes wins and I wanted to see if he was talking local acepots or sanctioned events. He has a total of 630$ in the 4 events he has won.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

The last time i went and got a sponser was this weekend. I collected 100$ and spent a total of 10 minutes doing that. Maybe you shouldnt be lazy. Ive been around long enough and done enough legwork that we all know you cant question my knowledge of TDing or playing.

Good one Ed "being around" and actually particpating as a TD are different. and If you had spent more then 10 min How much more could you have done? and SeaTac sure looked like I had been lazy.

[DoubleDees]

The last tournament I personally TDed was in March. Maybe you should try cleaning up our B course sometime.

WRO expense list that wasnt covered by players.

500$ park rental fee
chain saw blades
100$straw bails
3 kegs of beer
100 steaks
3 propane tanks
gas for moving baskets loading wood and transporting of straw
1 stolen basket
trophies
etc
etc
etc





thanks for coming to the WRO everyone.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

The last tournament I personally TDed was in March. Maybe you should try cleaning up our B course sometime.

WRO expense list that wasn't covered by players.

500$ park rental fee
chain saw blades
100$straw bails
3 kegs of beer
100 steaks
3 propane tanks
gas for moving baskets loading wood and transporting of straw
1 stolen basket
trophies
etc
etc
etc





thanks for coming to the WRO everyone.

I heard WRO went well also but no surprise there is there.

500$ park rental fee
chain saw blades
100$straw bails
*3 kegs of beer
*100 steaks
*3 propane tanks
gas for moving baskets loading wood and transporting of straw
#1 stolen basket
trophies

* nice touch but Sounds like off the course
# that Sucks

anyway Just got off the phone with PDGA. here are the grievances

1. Finances tabled for more information
2. Rule interpretations casual water ruling needed to be approved beforehand
3. Splitting fields cut and times.
4. Enforcement of two meter rule

1. Info submitted already NO required added cash for C tier
2,3. Both of which were my decisions. I take full responsibility's for them
4. I did not announce 2 meter Sat AM, did for Sat PM. Was told "some players did take penalty some did not" (No names) Sun made announcement that 2 meter was still enforce and re-mined them that it had been Sat PM. And that some had taken penalties and other had not and told everyone that it was wrong to allow it. No one stepped forward either admitting or identifying.

It's interesting how the last three have not had any mention what so ever here. But there is nothing personal right? Mark?

[snap7times]

According to PDGA rules, 2M rule is up to TD, but if no TD announcement, it is NOT in effect. If players are not sure, they need take a provisional. Those players need to know the rules, not a TD problem, a player problem!

[Parks]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

heres one. want me to keep going?

I thought you were talking about the post you quoted... because I thought you quoted it for a reason.

Regardless, the new post you are quoting has a question that is legitimate, not stupid: "Where did you prove that Jub made $450?"

I still have yet to see proof in this thread or otherwise that Jub actually made $450 in profit, rather than using the bulk of that money for expenses.

Keep going if you like.

[TYVEK]

Originally Posted by snap7times

According to PDGA rules, 2M rule is up to TD, but if no TD announcement, it is NOT in effect. If players are not sure, they need take a provisional. Those players need to know the rules, not a TD problem, a player problem!

when i played the AM weekend, i remember JUB telling us all during the Saturday morning players meeting that about his decision for the 2 meter rule. i think it was 1st round none, 2nd round yes, sundays round none. i could be wrong about the order, but my point was that he did announce the 2 meter status and the casual water before each round was played.

i totally agree with you Snap about each player being responsible enough to take a provisinal when they are not totally sure about a certain rule or OB.

[TYVEK]

personally im not really all that interested in the listing of stuff that WASNT paid for by players entry fees. that doesnt even come into this conversation, this is about the players fees and what they DID pay for.

if we wanted to make a list of things that wasnt payed for by players entry fees the lists would be to long to write, and that goes for every tournament that i have ever played. TD's are all very generous people that do alot that doesnt get paid back, and then you include all the volunteers that never get paid for their time and expenses.

so lets just focus on what the players fee is being used for and bring us back on the topic of what is a reasonable fee for a TD to take out of players fees? and how much can they take to pay for expenses like equipment, gas, paint, string?