New Rules School on OB rule - PDGA

Chuck Kennedy · #1 February 8th, 2011, 08:14 AM

http://www.pdga.com/ob-one-can-know-thee

Scott · #2 February 8th, 2011, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

http://www.pdga.com/ob-one-can-know-thee

Awesome!

Uhlman · #3 February 8th, 2011, 12:11 PM

I really like these Rules Schools they are very informative. They help bring clarity to some of the more complicated rules.

Jeff Hemmerling · #4 February 8th, 2011, 03:02 PM

I agree, these are very valuable. Thanks PDGA!

LJ Jubner · #5 February 8th, 2011, 07:43 PM

Yeah Another should cover the after the round but before the card is turned in group decision was made correctly with the TD

Sausage Fingers · #6 February 8th, 2011, 08:34 PM

I was just trying to explain this rule the other day. I wish I had that picture with me. It would get the point across quicker and better than I could verbally. Any chance these could be included in the rule book in the future?

Chuck Kennedy · #7 February 8th, 2011, 09:07 PM

Someone else suggested that on another D-Board and I'll suggest it for the next rulebook printing. I've added the diagrams and photos in the Rules School articles simply to make them more visually interesting. But it looks like the diagrams really help some players understand better and have been shared almost as much and maybe more than the text.

smobro · #8 February 9th, 2011, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

Awesome!

I call Interference on Scott's post and a 2 stroke penalty

LJ Jubner · #9 February 9th, 2011, 09:03 AM

Isn't the easiest decision usually the best. In all these situations I would nearly always choose to throw a provisional then just abandon the disc and accrue the stroke penalty, through the green ( means till I putt out)

LakeStevensBA · #10 February 9th, 2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Isn't the easiest decision usually the best. In all these situations I would nearly always choose to throw a provisional then just abandon the disc and accrue the stroke penalty, through the green ( means till I putt out)

Why throw a provisional? If you go OB near the basket, wouldn't you rather be lying 2 there instead of lying 2 on the tee box? That makes me ask..."If you did throw a provisional, do you HAVE to play it if your first throw went OB or can you decide to take the drop where it went OB instead?

Sausage Fingers · #11 February 9th, 2011, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LakeStevensBA

Why throw a provisional? If you go OB near the basket, wouldn't you rather be lying 2 there instead of lying 2 on the tee box? That makes me ask..."If you did throw a provisional, do you HAVE to play it if your first throw went OB or can you decide to take the drop where it went OB instead?

Most of the time when you play a provisional shot, you are doing so because there is a disagreement on an OB or Mando or some other course ruling. You effectively play the hole twice from where you throw the provisional. You play the hole out from your provisional throw and count the strokes and write it on the card. But you also play the hole out from the other throw and count the strokes (usually with penalties) and write it on the card. Then after the round you take the card to the TD and he makes a ruling on which score counts for your round.

Throwing a provisional from the tee box is usually done in case your first drive is later determined to be a lost disc. By throwing a provisional it will save you the time and the walking all the way back to the tee box if your first drive is lost. But if you get up to the disc and it isn't lost then you forget the provisional and just play your first drive. This happens more now that the Lost Disc rule is stroke AND distance.

Jeff Hemmerling · #12 February 9th, 2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

Throwing a provisional from the tee box is usually done in case your first drive is later determined to be a lost disc.By throwing a provisional it will save you the time and the walking all the way back to the tee box if your first drive is lost. But if you get up to the disc and it isn't lost then you forget the provisional and just play your first drive. This happens more now that the Lost Disc rule is stroke AND distance.

I thought your group had to determine the disc is lost before throwing your provisional. If your disc is found then the provisional throw would cost you a stroke. Just wondering...

Tek Zeus · #13 February 9th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Thanks for sharing this.

I know there is a lot of misconception on these rulings. For example in ball golf, if your ball comes to rest at all with-in OB/ or OB line, it is deemed OB. Disc golf is saying the "entire" disc must be surrounded by OB.

As more ball golfers transition to the the more affordable brand of golf, explaining these rules is important.

Sausage Fingers · #14 February 9th, 2011, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

I thought your group had to determine the disc is lost before throwing your provisional. If your disc is found then the provisional throw would cost you a stroke. Just wondering...

Well, you should always ask your group if they mind if you throw a provisional off the tee box before doing so and if they are being biatches about it, then don't do it. But if they bitch and then my disc IS declared lost they better be ready for a long wait as I take my sweet time getting back to the tee, rest up from my walk and then throw my second shot. You won't see me running on a disc golf course anytime soon. And I hope that every other golfer behind me enjoys the slow down because my card was full of whiny punks...

When the PDGA went with the stroke and distance ruling they opened up a can of worms all over the speed of play rules. Nothin slows play down worse than walking backwards up the fairway to re-throw after a lost disc.

Scott · #15 February 9th, 2011, 05:57 PM

I've always heard that you should take a provisonal if you even think your disc may be lost, as a speed of play issue.

Sausage Fingers · #16 February 9th, 2011, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott

I've always heard that you should take a provisonal if you even think your disc may be lost, as a speed of play issue.

THANK YOU!

KenGilmore · #17 February 9th, 2011, 06:38 PM

As long as you clearly declare that the throw is a provisional before throwing it, it will not count as a practice throw. Provisionals are used when they would increase speed of play, to get a later ruling when the ruling by the group is not clear or cannot be made, or at the player's discretion if he wants to appeal a group or official ruling.

all2common · #18 February 9th, 2011, 06:55 PM

Did I miss the throw/distance rule? What does that mean exactly?

Scott · #19 February 9th, 2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by olydiscgolf

There was rumor of a rule change that would make a player re-throw from their previous lie if their disc went OB. The player would subsequently lose; stroke and distance.

They implemented this rule at the 2010 USDGC. The rumor was that USDGC was the trial run before implementing it into PDGA rule books.

It doesn't look like it made it into the books....

But throw and distance is the rule for a lost disc. That change was implemented a couple of years ago to save the argument of trying to guess where the disc might have last been in bounds.

olydiscgolf · #20 February 9th, 2011, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott

But throw and distance is the rule for a lost disc. That change was implemented a couple of years ago to save the argument of trying to guess where the disc might have last been in bounds.

Your right, I had to re read Jordans post to see he was talking about Lost Disc and Not OB disc