McIver 3PO - April 23-24th 2011 Milo McIver

[dc1]

Looks like the Pro spots are up...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/66157

[Zuhocky]

check the first post of this thread for more info.

there are 9 am spots still available

Go Brewers

and Packers XLV Champs

dont forget the Bucks

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Zuhocky

check the first post of this thread for more info.

there are 9 am spots still available

Go Brewers

and Packers XLV Champs

dont forget the Bucks

PACK ATTACK!

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by dc1

Looks like the Pro spots are up...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/66157

AM reg is up too. Too bad there's so many people unwilling to move up in Oregon!

[Darr]

Mike, I thought we could pay via paypal?

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

AM reg is up too. Too bad there's so many people unwilling to move up in Oregon!

what the 10 players that are over 950 or is the 3 players that are in the 960's??


not trying to stir the pot but just curious.....plus im just padding my post count

[J Monette]

I agree with NWDiscer, Advanced Ams is supposed to be between 935 and 970. This tournament has a great advanced field, without any obvious baggers.

[bryan_luoma]

I agree, it will definitely be competitive and a difficult division to win, but based on current ratings alone, the Advanced AM field at 3PO looks pretty typical to me:

17 < 935
9 >= 935 && <= 950
6 > 950 && < 960
3 > 960 && < 970
0 > 970

edit: Unless your name is JE or RR.
:-)

[Joshua Olmsted]

I know ill be fighting just to hit the cash line, but hey, I enjoy tougher competition.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by bryan_luoma

I agree, it will definitely be competitive and a difficult division to win, but based on current ratings alone, the Advanced AM field at 3PO looks pretty typical to me:

17 < 935
9 >= 935 && <= 950
6 > 950 && < 960
3 > 960 && < 970
0 > 970

I do think that people should play where they are allowed to play by rating and where they will enjoy themselves the most! I'm not trying to call out people and get into the whole bagger thing. I'm just surprised to see people who could definitley move up and be competitive, but remain in the same division year after year. It's a choice and I can respect someone's choice even if I don't understand it.

If people who are good enough to win big tournaments in Advanced never move up because they don't always win or place in the top ten, the Pro fields will never grow. If the Pro fields don't grow, the lower rated Pro players will have less chance to cash, and the cycle continues with upper level Advanced players scared to enter the Pro ranks because they will struggle to cash.

That's obviously my bias as a lower rated Pro player who can but usually doesn't cash or place in big tournaments! My motivation is to grow the Pro fields by encouraging people who have the skills to be competitive to move up. Most new Pro players struggle for a year or two or more...but they get better as players as they do, and eventually they do have some success. And if the next crop of great Advanced players decide to take the plunge and join the Pro field, the cash line gets deeper and the success of the field continues to grow.

Again - just my opinion and I'm not pointing fingers. This is probably a discussion best suited to a different thread anyway, although it's well covered ground.

[Wes Hansen]

Originally Posted by bryan_luoma

I agree, it will definitely be competitive and a difficult division to win, but based on current ratings alone, the Advanced AM field at 3PO looks pretty typical to me:

edit: Unless your name is JE or RR.
:-)

Those two have great difficulty realizing what division they belong in. It may be a sign of senility. At least RR appears to be looking for more competition, not less.

[Reichard]

Originally Posted by Wes Hansen

Those two have great difficulty realizing what division they belong in. It may be a sign of senility. At least RR appears to be looking for more competition, not less.

I fit nicely in the middle of the pack in my new division so leave me out of this (or I shall spite you by returning)!

The kids better watch out because I feel good this year.


-Rick

[bryan_luoma]

Well said Matt B.
I think you nailed it on the head. Unless you are restricted to play in a certain division due to your player rating, it really comes down to personal choice.
There are good arguments to support both decisions (staying put, or playing up).

[J Monette]

I played this one up last year to help some buds get in the ams side, and holy hell it was a whooping!

[Zuhocky]

I have a good idea lets make it a pro only next year

I think that would get some folks to move up!!!




How many pros in this tourney are rated under 970?

If you win once or place in the top 3, three times, move up!
If everyone did that, cashing in the pro field would be easier,
top 40%+ get paid.

[TreeLove]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

AM reg is up too.

Wow, 109 players already pre-registered, over 7 weeks in advance! Good work, everyone! Great job, Mike S!

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Zuhocky

If you win once or place in the top 3, three times, move up!

[J Monette]

Originally Posted by Zuhocky

I have a good idea lets make it a pro only next year

I think that would get some folks to move up!!!

who's that Eric Lund guy?

How many pros in this tourney are rated under 970?

If you win once or place in the top 3, three times, move up!
If everyone did that, cashing in the pro field would be easier,
top 40%+ get paid.

Or have an intermediate field, our field is almost perfectly in line for what the PDGA recommends based on ratings. There are only 8 players in the open field with lower ratings than mine. Most of them are MUCH higher. Why would I want to pay an extra $20, not get a cool players pack, and get my A$% kicked?

[DexterHawk]

Because you are there to test your skills...

Choosing a division should start with your rating, but it shouldn't end there!

There was a comment earlier about someone feeling like they were just fighting to cash. That's how everyone should feel about their division. If you know that you are going to cash easily you're in the wrong division.

That said moving to pro is tough. For most serious talented players it is the first time they will play in a tournaments where they won't regularly go home with more shwag then they pay in entry fees. When I moved up to pro I had one win in advanced (not even in my home state and a fifth place finish at my home course) I struggled at first placing out of the cash in the rest of the tournaments that I played that year. I have since had more wins in Pro than I've had in any other division (4,including a B tier last year, yeah baby!). The idea that everyone should expect to get three wins in Advanced before they move up to pro is just mathmatically unsustainable.

Playing pro means you are generally on the course with people who can really play, who are fun to watch and who generally understand etiquette (though there are some jerks, just like every other division). I have learned more and grown more quickly as a player since I've challenged myself to play Pro and yes it was very motivating to walk away from a few tournaments empty handed.

The question you should ask yourself is not where you are now, but where you want to be. If you want to be thought of as one of the best disc golfers in your area you should be playing pro. Or as my mentor Buck might say "put you money where your mouth is"

[Zuhocky]

ya what he said, if you know your going to get a pay out before you play, your in the wrong division. Or your a really good Pro and there are only a few, they seem to be the ones against players packs for pros.

when I moved up to pro in '05 there were usually 10 or 12 in the open division. what do you think my odds of cashing were, 0%. I put in my dues for sure.

I think pros should always get the same players packs as the not so pros.

Pro divisions payout 40% or more.

Man if I only had 400 more posts.

Keep on Hukin'