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Old December 9th, 2010, 04:15 PM
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The meeting was NOT announced as starting early yet it did. I showed up 2 min prior to the start of the meeting and votes were being cast to remove Eric and instate John. The club was not involved at all. The club was not even told a replacement was being considered nonetheless decided on at an unannounced meeting. I asked that we reconsider these board meetings before club meetings and was not even given a change to make my case. This entire meeting was FUBAR. Yet the board insisted it was our best in months... nothing new...
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Old December 9th, 2010, 05:23 PM
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FUBAR HAHA Good word choice check out the movie!
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Old December 9th, 2010, 07:05 PM
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... nothing new...
It's my understanding that if the steward calls a meeting (Time/date/place) he needs to be prepared to be ready for that meeting (Time/date/place) whether others respond or not. The response is a certainly a courtesy and should be responded too. But, it's just that a courtesy, it's not like its a subpoena


Maybe some of the frustration you sensed was this issue had gone on for so long members were glad to FINALLY have it (and only it, the un supported FC position) settled.

I guess my next question is was anything else discussed at this meeting?
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Old December 9th, 2010, 07:56 PM
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FC was NOT discussed in the member meeting.
It was not addressed to the club at all.
It was not on Jeff's agenda because it was competely unplanned.
Jeff didn't schedule any early meeting as far as I know...
Where did you get that idea?
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Old December 9th, 2010, 10:07 PM
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FC was NOT discussed in the member meeting.
It was not addressed to the club at all.
It was not on Jeff's agenda because it was competely unplanned.
Jeff didn't schedule any early meeting as far as I know...
Where did you get that idea?
From the original post
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Old December 10th, 2010, 08:16 AM
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There were only 3 board members total invited to the meeting. The fourth just happened to show up. I am not playing any games. If you read Skypilot's report which is on this forum, anyone can see what is so upsetting. I realize the goals of you and Jub is to sweep this under the rug but the problem is this isn't the first time club business has been carried out through Gordy with blunt force trauma. I am sick of it.
I don't understand how a meeting of club members or board members can turn into threats, intimidation and chest bumping. It is disc golf, not a heavyweight title fight.
Jeremy, you can continue to rant on this issue if you want, but the Board has worked it out among ourselves and we are going forward from that point.

You are making this into a soap opera but it wasn't really as dramatic as you make it out to be. I was there, you were not.

Maybe you should follow Jub's suggestion if you feel so negatively about the SDGA's leadership.
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Old December 10th, 2010, 01:51 PM
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Jub: Jeff sent an email to one board member asking why about the new routine.
He was never replied to. I don't see how you interpret this as you do... Oh well.

Bob's statement sums it up.
The board worked it out amongst themselves.

The club sadly went along for a ride.
Thus, I am very happy the board agreed to review the charter.
A review committee has already been started with an experienced member chair!
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Old December 12th, 2010, 10:53 AM
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Jeremy, you can continue to rant on this issue if you want, but the Board has worked it out among ourselves and we are going forward from that point.

You are making this into a soap opera but it wasn't really as dramatic as you make it out to be. I was there, you were not.

Maybe you should follow Jub's suggestion if you feel so negatively about the SDGA's leadership.
So there was no chest bumping, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies in the middle of a weekly.

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes
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Old December 12th, 2010, 11:02 AM
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So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly.

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later. Unless something unexpected occurs and it is no longer possible. I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 11:47 AM
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So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly. .
Correct me if I am wrong but

Aren't the weeklies and their revenue for the club the basis of what, how and when the club has the resourses to keep itself afloat
As the treasurer Gordy was well within his duties asking for the clubs money
Why should a club rep hold any amount of club money for any length of time? $100 is a hell of a turn out for a weekly

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I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later?..
As a matter of procedure and the fact that agendas (at least to this point ) are set by the board only,your suggestion requires an entirely new mechanism to accomplish it. Concesus building is good to a point unlees the issuse is time sensitive. By the time you gain one, it's noramlly too late. I agree hopefully the evaluation/evoloution of the charter will address these issues.

I do want to applaud all those who worked out a very intelligent voting process so all prepaid current members can vote in Jan.

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I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.
This too is a great sentiment but It's been my experience that clubs only get hot when it's cold out! Unfortunately Being a board member is a full time/ year round job.

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Old December 12th, 2010, 06:18 PM
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So there was no chest bumping with Jeff, like there was when Gordy chest bumped and intimidated Maka to try and get $100 from him for weeklies, in the middle of a weekly.

I am happy to know that the Charter issues are being addressed. It has been a long time coming. I would like to see changes in the balancing of the very limited power of the club members, with the ultimate power of the board. For instance, if 15 club members total were to vote for an agenda, I do not see why the board should be able to just change it later. Unless something unexpected occurs and it is no longer possible. I feel like the board should be the arms of the club but the board has operated as if the club is the pinky toe. Things have been slightly better with board meetings being scheduled with the club's knowledge. The board can do what it wants though with no checks or balances.
Now let me get this right! Gordy at 210 lbs. chest bumped with Maka at 275 lbs. and you thought that Maka was intimidated?

Gordon was chasing money for the SDGA as the Treasurer. Stimpi had raised the money running weeklies for the SDGA, and he had handed that money over to Maka, but Maka didn't have it any more! He had given it away as ace pot money.

I love ya man, but you always see Gordy as the villain. Where would disc golf in Spokane be without him?? Have you given as much of your time to disc golf as Gordy??? Have you been a disc golf sponsor as much as Gordy, or Stimpi, or Jack??? What have you donated to the SDGA besides you criticism????

Gordy Crafts is the single main reason for the SDGA being where it is today. He has inspired others to come along side of him and share his vision. He has even inspired others to go beyond his own dreams for disc golf in Spokane.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 08:05 PM
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[quote=LJ Being a board member is a full time/ year round job.[/QUOTE]

Lord do I wish our board actually felt this way.
The SDGA's current board doesn't meet during the season.
Thus the reason it took 6 months to get FC resolved...
They are too busy?
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Old December 13th, 2010, 06:32 PM
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Gordy says, "We do not need to invent problems."

His words speak volumes.

Depose the K.G.B.
It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying
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Old December 14th, 2010, 02:39 AM
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Gordy says, "We do not need to invent problems."

His words speak volumes.

Depose the K.G.B.

It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying
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AGAIN somebody else who THINKS this post is GOTTEN WAAAAY out of hand .. and yoduh IF YOU REALLY WANT CHEST BUMPING i am sure the K.G.B. would LET ME HANDLE THAT PROBLEM ..and now if you are done with your SOAP BOX RUN can WE(yes i mean the club) get back to the daily tasks of discgolf .. oh yoduh and jeff WHEN as club members are you two gonna just grow up and deal with the facts of life NOT EVERYONE thinks like the two of you .. IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT THE CLUB IS DOING QUIT WHINNING AND JUST QUIT !!!! i am getting tried of coming on to the forum and having to listen to how ppl are not treating you two right..BOOHOO LIFE IS NOT FAIR GET OVER IT ..
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Old December 14th, 2010, 02:46 AM
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Lord do I wish our board actually felt this way.
The SDGA's current board doesn't meet during the season.
Thus the reason it took 6 months to get FC resolved...
They are too busy?
i do think that most if not all of the board has a full time job other then the SDGA .
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Old December 14th, 2010, 12:41 PM
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Not in dispute...
Yet, taking on those extra duties is a responsiblity they have asked to accept.
Shirking those during the golf season isn't what we should be shooting for.

Why bring only drivers onto the course when they do the job half the time?
Still great discs... We just need more utility than that.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 08:55 AM
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It saddens me that a man of God (pastor) would be so insidious as to refer to Kevin,Gordon,and Bob as K.G.B. Shouldn't you of all people try to make peace? Are you just a puppet for J.T. that's right Jeremy Thornton. No good will come of that alliance. The disc golfers of Spokane are much smarter than letting Yo! Duh! influence them...Just saying
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Old December 17th, 2010, 12:00 AM
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Now let me get this right! Gordy at 210 lbs. chest bumped with Maka at 275 lbs. and you thought that Maka was intimidated?
I don't know if he was intimidated or not, the point is this is disc golf, not the mafia. You don't need to intimidate people that are trying to cooperate and help raise money. Maka said that if Gordy would have been 20 years younger he would have knocked him out for being so disrespectful. He said that he completely ruined the round for him, and everybody in his group. He said that at the very beginning when Gordy approached him, he was about to start the event, and he told Gordy he had called him several times and that he wanted to meet him and talk about the situation. From this point Gordy, decides he needs to follow Maka and harass him, and at one point chest bump him!?!?

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Gordon was chasing money for the SDGA as the Treasurer. Stimpi had raised the money running weeklies for the SDGA, and he had handed that money over to Maka, but Maka didn't have it any more! He had given it away as ace pot money.
Somebody hit the ace pot and Maka had to pay them out, and he couldn't get a hold of Gordy so he paid out of HIS pocket. He reimbursed himself collecting the SDGA portion of the entry's. He tried calling Gordy several times. Showing up and acting like a BULLY is CRAP!

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I love ya man, but you always see Gordy as the villain. Where would disc golf in Spokane be without him?? Have you given as much of your time to disc golf as Gordy??? Have you been a disc golf sponsor as much as Gordy, or Stimpi, or Jack??? What have you donated to the SDGA besides you criticism????
Well Bob I really don't like to tout what I do for the club or the sport because I am more interested in getting things done than getting credit. But if you think I only whine and criticize than I will help fill in the void. I ran 3 "High Bridge Teasers" raising over $1500 for High Bridge before we had baskets. A High Bridge Teaser is exactly the same thing as what Kevin has and you have ran at People's park, I gave that idea to Kevin. I ran a summer series on Wednesday's that went for 8 weeks. I averaged 25 players a week and kicked down the $2 a piece to the club. I have attended work parties at Downriver since before you knew what disc golf was. I've worked at High Bridge, Corbin Park, Cherry Hill (helped all designs), I designed and constructed Dubble Black Diamond and am doing the same at Heyburn State Park right now. I've worked 40+ hours out at 4 Mounds and also did quite a bit at Golden Gate Park in SF.
I also designed People's Park. I feel Kevin deserves a ton of credit anyway's for dealing with keeping the buckets up and going. I donated the old teepad for hole 4 on Christmas a few years back. I also drove back and forth from Pullman 8 times, while I was struggling to get by in college, to play the first ever winter series in Spokane ran by the one and only.. Richard Robbins. I donated all of my winnings back to the course back when we were shooting at buckets. I always donate to the charity events and I used to bring in sponsors for the SDGA events until I realized that the ethics of our TD's were less than admirable.
I asked for years if the club would approach the city about getting sponsors for our tee signs. I was told that they wouldn't allow private sponsors in a public park. By Gordy. I was also told if we pushed this issue we could lose our park. 10 months ago Jeff Crumb became president and less than a month later we had approval for tee signs to raise money for our courses. How did Jeff get the city to change their minds? He said all he did was ask if we could put sponsors on our signs and they said, sure you can. At a recent board meeting Gordy and Bob proposed that the SDGA pull the baskets from High Bridge and that the "USER GROUP" pay to get them back. Not sure I follow that logic since the "USER GROUP" is the people that pay their dues and play in fund raising event's. Maybe you can explain your thought process BOB?

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Gordy Crafts is the single main reason for the SDGA being where it is today. He has inspired others to come along side of him and share his vision. He has even inspired others to go beyond his own dreams for disc golf in Spokane.
Gordy Crafts has done everything in his power to alienate disc golfers with energy and ideas. As these golfers have quit trying to be involved it has left Gordy as the last man standing. I have always tried to be helpful but I haven't been appreciated. I worked a couple full days before a 4 mound event a few years back, and Kevin Sakus came out and worked for an hour. Time comes for Gordy to thank some helpful souls, and he thanks Kevin who's blown away that he was even mentioned, and he can't believe he doesn't say anything about me(directly from Kevin's mouth). I wanted to run a barbeque for a 4 mounds event and I talked to Gordy about what it might cost, and he has me go do a bunch of price checking. I get back to him with prices the next day. He says why don't you figure out how much it would be for sandwiches. I call him back the next day. He says I just made up the flyer for the tourney, if you'd like to sell sandwiches at the tourney you can, pay me $50 and I will let you do it.. My idea from the beginning was I would provide a service that disc golfers could pre-order when they register, and not worry about food out at 4 mounds. Instead I spend 6 hours talking to Gordy and running around figuring stuff out, and he decides before he's even heard info on sandwiches that I can pay him and vend!? If he would have said that before I wouldn't have wasted any time at all. I'm not a sandwich vendor. The very next year he puts a lunch option for sandwiches on the registration, without me of course. The first meeting I ever went to for the club I asked that the club try and plant some trees to help with safety, he laughed at me and made a joke, I guess I should have taken the hint there. Very inspirational Gordy
I have seen him do the exact same thing to lots of other golfers.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 07:17 AM
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Your post reads like it is time for you to try and form your own club.
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Old December 17th, 2010, 09:38 AM
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I am disgusted by our club members telling anyone to quit... Not your place. Now I begin to see why our club stays so small and fractured.
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