OR Team DG: Captain's Meeting Discussion Topics

[Darr]

So from what I gather after reading the thread on the rules. The ones sitting on the table needing hashed out seem to be.

- Doubles, stay or go? A majority of posters suported the survival of doubles as do I. The conversation seemed to focus on The new Cali rule. I would expect dubs to stay, but still expect to discuss this at the meeting.

- The new CALI rule. "the CALI player get two throws from each lie" Was met with support from both sides. Either in favor of giving the CALI player an advantage by keeping the rule, or in favor of giving the "true" doubles team the advantage by changing the rule to "one extra throw per hole, 2 on par 4, etc.
Expect to discuss this at the meeting.

- The replacement rule. Not yet drafted into the rules, I heard a lot about this rule last year. I think it would be best to nail down a serious definition of this rule to keeep the harmony. Expect to discuss this at the meeting.

Our team is all about the fun. We don't think it's fun to have a team lose a member and be penalized the rest of the season for it. Obviously there should be a limit on transactions, twice? Maybe some kind of point penalty based on the reason the person bailed?

- Courses While Jordan has set the schedule I am sure there will be a short discussion on distance in relation/length of drive. The Commish could nip this discussion right now but, expect to discuss this at the meeting.

-Finals scenarios A lot of discussion has brewed over this.

So to recap,

-Doubles
-New CALI rule
-Replacement Rule
-Courses
-Finals scenarios

Pretty much everything will be answered and discussed at the captain's meeting. I think the best way to keep things organized will be for everyone to add to the list of discussion topics. All captains (players make your captains aware if they don't frequent the boards) should make notes on the disussion topics so there will be more focused discussion.

I will be happy to help the commish by taking notes and assisting with organizing all you crazies at the meeting (myself included).

Please don't fill this thread with arguments just discussion TOPICS thanks.

[Wes Hansen]

I'll be a new captain, so I'll be unusually quiet during the meeting!
After reading Darr's post my limited thoughts (have at that one!) are...
Doubles- I hope it stays. Playing doubles will be a big part of the fun of a team with lots of family members.
Cali- Perhaps a rating cutoff for whether a player gets 1 extra throw or two throws from each lie. It's never seemed fair an 850 player and 1000 rated have the same throws.
Replacement- 2-3x after the Capt's mtg to end of season? If we all use ratings to play, is there any reason not to allow replacements?
That's all I have. For now.

I can't wait to play TDG again!

[Darr]

No other topics?

[Jeff Hemmerling]

I want to discuss whether the 5th singles match should be mandatory or not (Jonesy brought it up first).

If it's mandatory then every team member is expected to show every weekend and play both rounds. Some people feel that this goes against one of the advantages of having seven team members, which is that if a team fields 6 players the most it'll lose is one point: the seven-player bonus. If the 5th singles is mandatory then your team could lose 3 points total: one for the seven-player bonus, and two for forfeiting the 5th singles match both rounds.

There were quite a few matches last year when Putt This did field seven players and the person who only played one round was glad to be able to go home early (or show up late). On the other hand I like having both rounds count for all team members who show up.

On the whole I like making it mandatory. It's worth trying for one season at least.

[keith_shupp]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

I want to discuss whether the 5th singles match should be mandatory or not (Jonesy brought it up first).

If it's mandatory then every team member is expected to show every weekend and play both rounds. Some people feel that this goes against one of the advantages of having seven team members, which is that if a team fields 6 players the most it'll lose is one point: the seven-player bonus. If the 5th singles is mandatory then your team could lose 3 points total: one for the seven-player bonus, and two for forfeiting the 5th singles match both rounds.

There were quite a few matches last year when Putt This did field seven players and the person who only played one round was glad to be able to go home early (or show up late). On the other hand I like having both rounds count for all team members who show up.

On the whole I like making it mandatory. It's worth trying for one season at least.

I cant believe im going to agree with Jeff on this one but I agree so lets try it.

[Celeste]

Did we have 2 singles and 2 doubles each round last year? What is the purpose of only having 1 doubles match each round. I know on our team everyone likes to play the dubs. Is that a topic Darr? I guess the other related topic would be the must play singles to be eligible for doubles. Still a rule? (yes, I could look it up)

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Originally Posted by Celeste

Did we have 2 singles and 2 doubles each round last year? What is the purpose of only having 1 doubles match each round. I know on our team everyone likes to play the dubs. Is that a topic Darr?

Since Jordan has run things, and maybe longer, the format has been 4 singles and 1 doubles each round (6 players). He is proposing adding a 5th singles match each round so that all 7 players can/should play both rounds.

Originally Posted by Celeste

I guess the other related topic would be the must play singles to be eligible for doubles. Still a rule? (yes, I could look it up)

Yes, it's definitely still a rule.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

Since Jordan has run things, and maybe longer, the format has been 4 singles and 1 doubles each round (6 players). He is proposing adding a 5th singles match each round so that all 7 players can/should play both rounds.

The first year the whole team played dubs in the morning and singles in the afternoon...

[jevon]

I like playing dubs but I think its too hard to handicap fairly enough to warrant two dubs and only 3 singles.

How's about this idea: match play!

Make the fifth singles match a match play format or even two singles. Three singles stroke play, two singles match play, and one doubles. That could be fun. Could the handicap work the same? Not sure if it would be fair if someone have to give 19 strokes/holes on an 18 hole course...

Just think about the new strategies that could unfold!

[Darr]

Originally Posted by Darr

UPDATED
-Doubles
-New CALI rule
-Replacement rule
-Courses
-Finals scenarios
-5th singles match?

Sunday captains:
Jordan Lewis
Jeff Hemmerling
Camo Mike Niemi
Tom T-Ry Rybloom
Kel Carver
Jason McGrew
Celeste Scandiffio
Denny Ax
George Adams
Victor Cervantes

Saturday captains:
Dan Denny
Dan Brown
Cindy McMahan
Will Odom
Scott Searles
Troy Grotte
Wes Hansen
David Zimmerman
Jason Saui Sauermilch
Keith Shupp

The captains should be aware of the hit list so they may discuss it with their team prior to the meeting. Let's try and keep this meeting to the point.

[jevon]

Originally Posted by Darr

Sunday captains:
Jordan Lewis
Camo Mike Niemi
Tom T-Ry Rybloom
Kel Carver
Jason McGrew
Celeste Scandiffio
Denny Ax
George Adams
Victor Cervantes

Saturday captains:
Dan Denny
Dan Brown
Cindy McMahan
Will Odom
Scott Searles
Troy Grotte
Wes Hansen
David Zimmerman
Jason Saui Sauermilch
Keith Shupp

The captains should be aware of the hit list so they may discuss it with their team prior to the meeting. Let's try and keep this meeting to the point.

Only 9 Sunday captains?

[jevon]

Originally Posted by jevon

Only 9 Sunday captains?

You forgot old man Hemmerling!

[DanD]

When do final rosters have to be submitted? I know some teams have people as place holders and it may be a good idea to deal with these before the prelims.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by DanD

When do final rosters have to be submitted? I know some teams have people as place holders and it may be a good idea to deal with these before the prelims.

The Prelims is when the final rosters have to be submitted. Any changes after that will count toward whatever the limit turns out to be.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Originally Posted by jevon

You forgot old man Hemmerling!

Thanks for having my back!

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

Thanks for having my back!

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by jevon

I like playing dubs but I think its too hard to handicap fairly enough to warrant two dubs and only 3 singles.

How's about this idea: match play!

Make the fifth singles match a match play format or even two singles. Three singles stroke play, two singles match play, and one doubles. That could be fun. Could the handicap work the same? Not sure if it would be fair if someone have to give 19 strokes/holes on an 18 hole course...

Just think about the new strategies that could unfold!

The main reason for relegating the dubs matches to 'only if you have all players present' was a move to get more players playing singles rounds that can be rated. And the more players who play a given round, the better the round ratings will be each week. And as long as I don't do something stupid like weight the latest round at 50% we should get accurate ratings for everybody in the league fairly rapidly.

So I don't see going to match play anytime soon. Is there even a way to handicap a match play event?

[Celeste]

I may have to bring in a substitute captain for the meeting since I'm working in Albany now. Maybe I'll play Bryant (6 blocks away) or Adair (10 minutes) and think of you all

[Kevin Madrid]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

So I don't see going to match play anytime soon. Is there even a way to handicap a match play event?

I do love match play...you play totally different...a lot of go for it shots... instead of play it safe and just get a par and move on.

The only way a match play set-up can be done that I can see is IF AND ONLY IF the top player of each team play each other and NO HANDICAP...STRAIGHT UP BABY!

Thinking of it that way . It could be interesting...that would take out of play the 15 to 20+ stroke make-up on a round when a team puts up low rated player against a high rated player.

Thoughts?



GBP for life

[DanD]

I think one of the great things about TDG is that its for everyone. Stroke Play puts the priority on skill level, which, imho, is not what TDG is about. That being said, I'd be way down for a stroke play league/match. Maybe it could be used for team tie breakers in TDG?