Riverside facelift

[sillybizz]

Originally Posted by REDFIVE

Don't get too attached to the layout. There is a local backlash at the redesign. Glad to hear it is well liked by some.

The old layout (s) were confusing to anyone but regulars, why not make a really awesome 18 holes then a confusing 8 different layouts? Let's use the land correctly, it's not like Disc Golf gets land thrown at us like this all the time. Great job on the redesign Chris, don't let the haters get you down, I support this layout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mikk]

I'm realy diggin it. So glad sa sa mofo is there too!! Realy challenging yet very playable. Good work..

[TYVEK]

i really think it is awesome how you guys redesigned this course!! i agree with Silly about how it could be confusing and you had people throwing discs all over the place with the old course.

It is Way better with this new layout and having people all throwing the same course. I really have to comend you for stepping up and making actuall golf pars with this course also, instead of just labeling everything par 3. i love playing courses with actual pars for each hole.

[Yoduh]

Course sounds awesome and it sounds like you are on the right path to creating a tough and challenging golf course. Don't let the locals overwhelm you. Just hold the course and memory's will fade. This happens at so many courses and it is for the best. When is the next big tourney? I will make it if I can. I always liked the land at riverside but thought it like Steilly was a good place to die.. Glad to hear that has changed!

[Darrin M]

Originally Posted by REDFIVE

Don't get too attached to the layout. There is a local backlash at the redesign. Glad to hear it is well liked by some.

I've played the new layout 3 times and the more I play it the more I'm starting to like it. The first time the grass was long and I didn't care for it. The next day somebody put in a ton of course work. The holes 12 and 15 looked great mowed. Those 2 holes were my only concern considering the maintenance its going to need.

Also about time people made Par 4 and par 5 holes around here. It took 3 perfect shots to set up a birdie on 15. great hole.

With a couple of work parties this could be the place to test your game. Please remind those people who hate it that it was also intended to be a tournament course and I think you did a Great job. I can't wait for a tournament to be at riverside.

[SPIDER-DAN]

I have always been a lover of multiple courses for years. Playing casual rounds and having choices of what courses to play with your buddies and not playing the same old boring course. Well, those days are long gone.........riverside has gotten way out of hand as fort steilacoom did and i for one sadly admit that. Fort steilacoom has come a long way and it is great to see the tournament courses coming together nicely and i think the riverside design will be a great success and locals are just going to have to accept that as i did. As i look at the map i am eager to come play it soon and get humbled. Is there a way you can put out the distances and pars on each hole here on the forum page?

Anyway.........great job chris and everyone else who helped........ Backlash or not........do not let the minority stop progress. I think you will find the majority will come and play and back you up 100%.

[papatart]

Hey Chris,

Looks like you guys have a whale of a course going right now and I am trying to figure out a way to get out and play there asap. Excellent job on not being happy to just go back to the way things were. Progress is good!

As for the old Riverside....I loved the red course for going out and being able to birdie every single hole but I would never-ever-ever play the course except during a tourney situation. The very first time I went to the course it took over 3 hours for me and another seasoned golfer to try and figure out our way around. Sure, you figure your way around but you never get away from the fact that on any given day on the course you have no idea where a disc is coming from because everyone is playing a different setup. DANGEROUS!

As I have said since I moved out here and my thought has not changed....I have played nearly 500 courses and have never seen the design idea of old Steiily/Riverside any where but here. I have seen many courses that have multiple pins and teepads but they use the same basic layout for each hole so that everyone is playing the same course. If the locals would like variety, then a multiple teepad idea and multiple pins layout for each hole in its area is the way to go. At Maple Hill (Massachussets) they have this situation and leave both pins in at all times (color coded baskets) With two pins and two baskets that gives four permanently installed courses with zero crossover and confusion. Most excellent!

I love the land of Riverside as it most resembles the course where I learned to play. I am excited to see this change and hope it stays this way as I am sure to get out there and play it much more often!

Thanks again Chris and all that helped and congratulations again on thinking outside the old and looking to better use an awesome piece of land.

Later,
Papa

[Tim]

Originally Posted by papatart

If the locals would like variety, then a multiple teepad idea and multiple pins layout for each hole in its area is the way to go. At Maple Hill (Massachussets) they have this situation and leave both pins in at all times (color coded baskets) With two pins and two baskets that gives four permanently installed courses with zero crossover and confusion. Most excellent!

I would love to see more courses adopt this method.

[REDFIVE]

Things appear to be out of my control. The course will be different but similar to the red/blue layouts. not all that cool if you ask me. I think that if the course doesn't get the total makeover it may as well go back to the original layouts with clearly marked tees and baskets. But, who am I to decide?

[TreeLove]

People are generally resistant to change. Give them 6 months to adjust; they'll probably love it.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by REDFIVE

Things appear to be out of my control. The course will be different but similar to the red/blue layouts. not all that cool if you ask me. I think that if the course doesn't get the total makeover it may as well go back to the original layouts with clearly marked tees and baskets. But, who am I to decide?

What a shame. I was planning on making a drive up to check out the new design. It's too bad you couldn't sway the stubborn opinions into realizing how confusing and dangerous the old layout was.

[The Ombudsman]

I totally agree with Scott. I had the privilege of playing in the Vibram Open at Maple Hill and have been playing Brakewell Steel/Warwick regularly. Both of these courses have 2 sets of tees and two permanent baskets on every fairway. This allows for 4 different layouts to play with minimal cross over. Both of these courses are on my top 5 all time favorites list. The biggest drawback to this layout is if you choose to play the longer layouts, it is possible that people playing the short layouts will play right through you. Otherwise, this would be a splendid way to put all of those baskets in use!

[REDFIVE]

My layout will still be playable but I am not sure it will be the feature layout. Some ideas are still alive but for some reason the best hole is being turned into two. Hopefully I will be able to get my design on at a couple of places in the area rumored to possibly become courses.

[cefire]

Sorry to hear that the old tradition is getting in the way Chris. Kind of like Papa said, I played this course once and never felt the need to go back and play it again in its current state no matter how many same old deuce or die setups you could potentially play.

With all of the birdie courses, this seemed like a great opportunity to create a challenging course on the great land that Riverside has to offer...

[TYVEK]

i would say wait until the elections are held for the peirce county club and then really make a push for this new layout. you will have new people in power in the club and they might see things differently and would be willing to make changes happen to better the sport of disc golf, instead of give in to the people that are making a fuss.

[dan mc]

Originally Posted by REDFIVE

My layout will still be playable but I am not sure it will be the feature layout. Some ideas are still alive but for some reason the best hole is being turned into two. Hopefully I will be able to get my design on at a couple of places in the area rumored to possibly become courses.

and that"s how riverside ended up with 12 different courses in the first place every local had there own layout/safari way of playing it i believe yours used to be black or was it red eye or murder or orange or green or am etc etc etc

[dan mc]

sorry redfive just venting a bit i do respect eveything you"ve done down there though, but i wasn't really thrilled with the results. maybe i'm just afraid of change

[Bossman]

Don't be sorry dan. Sounds like you have at least some of the facts straight. I will point out though, I lived at Riverside for six years and resisted creating a course. I saw this coming.

[Yoduh]

I would pay to join the club in order to have my vote counted going towards the new layout..

[REDFIVE]

Originally Posted by dan mc

sorry redfive just venting a bit i do respect eveything you"ve done down there though, but i wasn't really thrilled with the results. maybe i'm just afraid of change

I did help design black and if I knew it would have evolved into everybody making up their owncourse I would have never done it.

What are your dislikes about the layout? I have beenhearing people say that people are complaining but nobody I have talked to has said anything negative to me.