New star plastic??

[REDFIVE]

I like my fairway drivers(leopard, teebird, firebird, orc?) in champ but my distance drivers(wraith, destroyer, boss, excal) in star. not sure why but I find that the distance drivers are more consistant in star. I might just know what I am looking for to keep my innova discs consistant.

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

Least favorite post of the year. You hurt my brain with your logic.

ok sorry. i don't get most peoples logic either. i just wont post anymore, it just seems that everyone's picking apart what i say. oh wait this is the internet. haha. when it comes down to it, i don't need to explain myself or my choice of disc. im actually kind of bummed, you guys are all boners. i am an American. i have the right to an idea an opinion! *cue inspirational music*.

i was just trying to bring a different opinion and angle to the conversation. my bad.

... but seriously. you are a boner.

[sillybizz]

It's alright man, we were just giving you a hard time and expressing OUR opinion on the matter. And yes I am a boner.

[prospect]

Without COMPLETE and TOTAL consistency in your throw, you can't expect the same from your discs, regardless of brand. I believe it does require actually throwing the disc to know how it will fly, not just assuming that it will fly the same as the Buzzz or Roc that you bought 5 years ago, or 5 minutes ago.

[REDFIVE]

Originally Posted by prospect

Without COMPLETE and TOTAL consistency in your throw, you can't expect the same from your discs, regardless of brand. I believe it does require actually throwing the disc to know how it will fly, not just assuming that it will fly the same as the Buzzz or Roc that you bought 5 years ago, or 5 minutes ago.

This brings up a good point. I am going to twist it a bit. I know that I have had a disc and bought another one that I hoped was the same. The first one that I liked was thrown with an open mind and I let the disc tell me how it should be thrown. I tried the second one with an expectation of how I should throw it compared to the first one. It wasnt exactly the same so I didnt like it and put it in the box only to take it out later and find that it was actually pretty close to the flight of the first one. So how different are the flights of discs really? I am sure we make them out to be much worse than they really are.

[ChUcK]

Originally Posted by XandorF

ok sorry. i don't get most peoples logic either. i just wont post anymore, it just seems that everyone's picking apart what i say. oh wait this is the internet. haha.

Eh, don't feel so bad, people also pick apart what I say- whenever it's something stupid.

Originally Posted by XandorF

when it comes down to it, i don't need to explain myself or my choice of disc.

Too late, you have already done both. Whoops!

Originally Posted by XandorF

im actually kind of bummed, you guys are all boners. i am an American. i have the right to an idea an opinion! *cue inspirational music*.

i was just trying to bring a different opinion and angle to the conversation. my bad.

... but seriously. you are a boner.

Logic still hurting brain

Oh man, it happened again! What you said was picked apart. I wonder if there's a pattern developing? Google "metacognitive awareness" and see if anything interesting shows up.

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

Eh, don't feel so bad, people also pick apart what I say- whenever it's something stupid.

Too late, you have already done both. Whoops!


Logic still hurting brain

Oh man, it happened again! What you said was picked apart. I wonder if there's a pattern developing? Google "metacognitive awareness" and see if anything interesting shows up.

google "get a life"

[ChUcK]

I'll google "get a life" if you work on your social skills.

So anyways, back to the topic at hand. Star plastic. What would be worse, if Innova named a whole new line of plastic for each blend they try, or if they continue to make special blends and pass them off as regular production to the mostly unsuspecting Innova fanboy?

[sillybizz]

I've always wanted to say "Google this motherf***er!" and then shoot someone.

One of the many reasons I don't throw a Roc or an Aviar is because of the many different variations (Classic Roc, Ontario, Rancho, etc.) it makes it so confusing to know which one you would want and I'm not willing to go and buy 10 different ones to try and see which one works best for me. There is only one Buzzz (besides the SS) and they all are about the same; why make a billion different variations when you got it right the first time?!

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

I've always wanted to say "Google this motherf***er!" and then shoot someone.

One of the many reasons I don't throw a Roc or an Aviar is because of the many different variations (Classic Roc, Ontario, Rancho, etc.) it makes it so confusing to know which one you would want and I'm not willing to go and buy 10 different ones to try and see which one works best for me.

There is only one Buzzz (besides the SS) and they all are about the same; why make a billion different variations when you got it right the first time?!

ok 1st Aviar and Roc are 2 completely diff discs....

a classic roc is like an XD much more like an approach type disc

ont,rancho, are driver like with rancho more stable out of the box than the ont

the Buzz is a KNOCKOFF of a Roc

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

I'll google "get a life" if you work on your social skills.

So anyways, back to the topic at hand. Star plastic. What would be worse, if Innova named a whole new line of plastic for each blend they try, or if they continue to make special blends and pass them off as regular production to the mostly unsuspecting Innova fanboy?

just because i CHOOSE to be a confrontational dick, doesn't mean i don't have social skills. blah blah blah lets get back on topic guys! comeon! star plastic feels so nice in my hand. i want someone to make a star plastic blow up doll that i can take home and make sweet sweet love to.

[NWDiscer]

and while i agree that a ton of Innova's "Driver's" ie the High Speed types vary stabilty wise from run 2 run hell even in the same run..... i have 10X KC stuff that is clearish that look like new Champion stuff and then i have opaque 10X's that look like dx?

The Roc is VERY VERY consistent in flight.

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

the Buzz is a KNOCKOFF of a Roc

You could not be any more wrong about this statement unless you really tried.

The Buzzz, is in no way, shape or form, a knockoff of a Roc. That would be a Wasp. And of course, I don't have to go on a crazy hunt for a Z Wasp like you do for Champion Rocs.

Back to plastics, Star and ESP are practically the same plastic. Hell we even broke them down once with MEK to test the solvent properties of the plastic itself. The Star and ESP broke down at the same rate. Go figure. The only difference is variances in said mold.

[sillybizz]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

a classic roc is like an XD much more like an approach type disc

ont,rancho, are driver like with rancho more stable out of the box than the ont

Thank you for making my point.

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by General Scales

And of course, I don't have to go on a crazy hunt for a Z Wasp like you do for Champion Rocs.

neither do i

[Ol' Bob]

Originally Posted by XandorF

i want someone to make a star plastic blow up doll that i can take home and make sweet sweet love to.

Well don't get upset when you absorb enough estrogen mimicking molecules to make you go get a sex change the very next day. Wouldn't that be an ironic twist?

Wouldn't it be cool if Innova just made all their discs with no names or stamps, and we had to mark them up for how we judged them? Their stamps only give me a starting place for that process. That said, they still make the driver molds in the plastics that I can glide farthest. I'm not at all sure why that is.

[ChUcK]

Will there come a time when the PDGA will need to tighten up their tech specs even more? For instance, controlling what polymers can be used to produce golf discs? Few frontiers are left for manufacturers, so I foresee a lot of crazt plastic blend experimentation coming.

Originally Posted by XandorF

just because i CHOOSE to be a confrontational dick, doesn't mean i don't have social skills

Ahhh, a willful neglect of social skills. Even better than honest ignorance!

[Mikk]

I too would like to see more availability of the more exotic blended plastics. Like my gummy champion roc or super hard and clear(ice)champion orc. Even better would be a pearl gummy champion cobra- I got mine from Ralph W. 10 years ago. Its the shiznit but realy hard to find :-(
I have been checking e-slay and came across a blended champ/star japan open katana. I gave up after 80$. Being rare is one thing but 80$ for a disc that probibly will never be thrown is crapppp(rant sorry). I'd love to see a blended champ/star disc or even elite z/esp/flx. Unfortunately I think not..Bummer.
I shoulda studied plastic polymers while in school instead of mechanical engineering. Funny that most (core)disc golfers understand more about plastic than anybody.Whodathunkit?

[emmarose]

Originally Posted by DMajor

In my experience the amount of innova discs that vary enough to make a difference in my throw is grossly exagerrated. I have never had a hard time replacing a disc in my bag with another that flies the same. I try not to fall in love with hard to find runs and I also try to rotate in backup discs of the same mold so that if I need to pull one off the bench it will be broken in and fly just the same.

... well said... i very much agree with this sentiment... i definitely have preferences for a particular disc and can be heart broken when i have to replace a dear friend that's been in my bag for a while, but have mostly noticed that it simply takes a while for the disc to get worked in to just where i want it...

... one thing no one else has mentioned (y'all's so caught up in fancy schmancy polymers and such) is the color of the plastic... i find that to be the most noticeable variable for me... my lighter colored (pink, yellow, white, baby blue) 150 star valks fly just right for me... but a dark blue or red one... no thank you! is this real or just psychosomatic 'cause i don't like the color red and think dark blue is hard to find?

peace,
em

[XandorF]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

Ahhh, a willful neglect of social skills. Even better than honest ignorance!

wow, do i really have to spell it out for you. "...doesn't mean i dont have social skills."

im not neglecting my social skills, im using them to push your buttons. which would imply that i do, infact, have social skills.

you stupid boner.