Festivus 8 - 1/24/09

[Trozzle!!!]

Thanks Justin, I already knew that, hahaha

But still, us lower rate players eserve respect too. whether its a PDGA event or not. I am just glad that we had 4 fun players who decided to do MA3 for WOX.
We made our own division know and raised a lot of stink about it. I plan to play 4-5 ORS events this year, and i will proudly enter as MA3 everytime!!!! I just hope we have enough participants to be able to get a series winner this year

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Trozzle!!!

on a more personal note. you said "the person who wins clearly should have been playing Intermediate at least with the guys."

Are you trying to say that us Rec, or MA3 guys dont count as one of the guys? Are we just the redheaded stepchildren of this sport?

No, you're just waaaayyy too sensitive. If you want a better chance at trophies, you'll need a bigger division. As to how to convince more people to play MA3 I have no idea. Seems like a tough call for a hard working TD - should they offer a trophy for a four person division and decimate any possibility of payout? Should 25% of a division get a trophy? Look at FPO - think Toni will be getting a trophy?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

1) Recreational is the Division by name it implies that people that sign up for the division are more casual golfers that are playing at least as much for fun as for serious competition.

At first glance, yes. But by PDGA standards, "Recreational" simply is the name of the division for people with ratings between 850 and 900. It has nothing to do with the seriousness of the competitors.

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

3) Maybe those inclined to sand bag by playing Rec while destroying at least 1/2 the Intermediate field will be provoked into moving up. Every event that I have seen a Rec division the person who wins clearly should have been playing Intermediate at least with the guys.

When has this happened? Please provide your source. I assume you're going back in history a ways, because from what I recall:

2009 WOX: 1st Place MA3 would have tied for 23rd out of 41 in MA2
2009 Slosh #1: 1st place MA3 would have finished 9th out of 14th in MA2
2009 Slosh #2: 1st place MA3 would have finished 11th of 15th.

Hardly what I would call destroying half of the intermeditate field.

In fact, I will continue to argue that most of the <900 rated players in MA2 should be playing in MA3. That will give us two very balanced and competitive divisions. MA3 is as competitive as every other division. Not as skilled obviously, but it is in the lower divisions where skills and competition are learned.

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

Since I made the Recreational Entry Fee the same as Intermediate this year, that is not a reason but could be a factor in different circumstances. I made them the same mostly to ensure there was still something left for scrip to play for after deducting players pack costs.

If that's your viewpoint, not having trophies for MA3 makes less sense. If the group is for newer and more casual players they should be playing for a trophy, not scrip.

I think the main problem is that so many people get hung up on the term Recreational, which is about the dumbest thing the PDGA could have named the division. Since Festivus is not a PDGA event, you certainly can have other criteria for who should be in a division. But if that is the case, it should be noted up front.

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

Happy Festivus,

And to you!

[smobro]

cmon folks lets move this to the "what is Sandbagging" thread.

I apologize for starting it here.

[essjay]

Holy shit you Rec players can be bitches!

Greg made the comment "at least with the guys" as a means to distinguish between the MA3 division and the FW3 division.

Greg has run this tourney for years now, and I think it's cool that your MA3 division is available, but it seems like you all have some perceived slight every time it is offered.

You know, if you all were playing in the Int division, there would be trophies for 1st through 3rd, and the payout would be deeper. want payout or trophies?

whatever....

meh

[Scott]

Originally Posted by essjay

Holy shit you Rec players can be bitches!

Thanks, I appreciate that.

Originally Posted by essjay

You know, if you all were playing in the Int division, there would be trophies for 1st through 3rd, and the payout would be deeper. want payout or trophies?

Mostly we're looking for competition. If the MA3 eligible players played MA2, they would typically be out of the running for trophies by about the fourth or fifth hole.

[all2common]

Happy Friday, Essjay!

[essjay]

Originally Posted by all2common

Happy Friday, Essjay!

Hahaha yeah I guess that hit the page a bit hard. Sorry guys.

I am just amazed at the number of posts that are dedicated to whether MA3 players are being treated fairly.

Anyhoo, can't wait to blow out of the office and start the good weather golf weekend!

Anybody coming down for the Ole???

[all2common]

Wish I could...got big plans to build planter boxes for the upcoming planting season and work on the house a little. Festivus? Oh, I'll be down for that!

[essjay]

Hey will you build me a couple of those planters?? I've been intended to do that the last 2 years! Saw you registered for Festivus! Give us a call if you like...

[CarlitosBonitos]

It's Hills Birthday tommorow otherwise I would be down for the OLE, Good Luck and I guess i am waitlisted for Festivus, so hope to see yo uthere if not sooner, Hope all is well with yo uand Crawdaddy!~

[smobro]

Originally Posted by essjay

Holy shit you Rec players can be bitches!

Greg made the comment "at least with the guys" as a means to distinguish between the MA3 division and the FW3 division.

Greg has run this tourney for years now, and I think it's cool that your MA3 division is available, but it seems like you all have some perceived slight every time it is offered.

You know, if you all were playing in the Int division, there would be trophies for 1st through 3rd, and the payout would be deeper. want payout or trophies?

whatever....

meh

See PM

[discgolfgreg]

Originally Posted by all2common

Just you Troy.

Hi all thanks for the feedback... my old school thinking in terms of Rec applies more to MA4 which almost no one uses.

With the Guys or Men, I see a dominant win in MA3 pretty common and not so much with the Women. My comment on that front was misinterpretted.

Anyway I will see what I can do to provide a trophy for 1st in the MA3/FW3 divisions, thanks for the feedback and opinions.

I get called a Sandbagger at every event for not playing Pro Master, but my rating and frequency of play really don't warrant it. The cool thing about our sport is at any given event players can hit their groove and play lights out in comparison to their average. If you are playing in the right division that should give you a chance at a win or at least a high finish in larger divisions.

To save time and give a more equal chance of winning the mostly Innova schwag they send with my custom disc order, I will have a random draw for prizes, rather than allocating stuff to CTP's on every hole which extra take time and effort.

discgolfgreg

[smobro]

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

Hi all thanks for the feedback... my old school thinking in terms of Rec applies more to MA4 which almost no one uses.

With the Guys or Men, I see a dominant win in MA3 pretty common and not so much with the Women. My comment on that front was misinterpretted.

Anyway I will see what I can do to provide a trophy for 1st in the MA3/FW3 divisions, thanks for the feedback and opinions.

I get called a Sandbagger at every event for not playing Pro Master, but my rating and frequency of play really don't warrant it. The cool thing about our sport is at any given event players can hit their groove and play lights out in comparison to their average. If you are playing in the right division that should give you a chance at a win or at least a high finish in larger divisions.

To save time and give a more equal chance of winning the mostly Innova schwag they send with my custom disc order, I will have a random draw for prizes, rather than allocating stuff to CTP's on every hole which extra take time and effort.

discgolfgreg

You're a good man.

[E Smith]

Originally Posted by discgolfgreg

Hi all thanks for the feedback... my old school thinking in terms of Rec applies more to MA4 which almost no one uses.

With the Guys or Men, I see a dominant win in MA3 pretty common and not so much with the Women. My comment on that front was misinterpretted.

Anyway I will see what I can do to provide a trophy for 1st in the MA3/FW3 divisions, thanks for the feedback and opinions.

I get called a Sandbagger at every event for not playing Pro Master, but my rating and frequency of play really don't warrant it. The cool thing about our sport is at any given event players can hit their groove and play lights out in comparison to their average. If you are playing in the right division that should give you a chance at a win or at least a high finish in larger divisions.

To save time and give a more equal chance of winning the mostly Innova schwag they send with my custom disc order, I will have a random draw for prizes, rather than allocating stuff to CTP's on every hole which extra take time and effort.

discgolfgreg

You are a Sandbagger.

[TreeLove]

Wow, the expert (sandbagger) has spoken. Case closed!

[E Smith]

Originally Posted by TreeLove

Wow, the expert (sandbagger) has spoken. Case closed!

Sandbagging is just a hobby for me.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by E Smith

Sandbagging is just a hobby for me.

But you do it so well, you should turn Pro...errr nevermind...

[E Smith]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

But you do it so well, you should turn Pro...errr nevermind...

I see you aren't signed up. Who the hell is going to keep score?

I can see Gawain wondering around lost during lunch.

[discgolfgreg]

Hi all,

Here is the final registration list:

Anyone not on it probably won't get in. I have a wait list of about 10 names but I do not expect many drops. If anyone has to drop please let me know as soon as possible.

First & Last Name Div Code Div Count
Toni Hoyman FPO 1
Celeste Scandiffio FW1 4
Sarah Johnson FW1
Zoe AnDyke FW1
Jessie Ziegler FW1
Laura Bryngelson FW2 4
Cindy McMahan FW2
Amber Cochran FW2
Kim Smothers FW2
Tami Allen FW3 2
Karen Oconnor FW3
Tewa Phimasome MA1 15
Mike Key MA1
Chris Cusack MA1
Josh Johnson MA1
Chris Wilcox MA1
Mathew Sommer MA1
Marcus Durbin MA1
Mark Martin MA1
Justin Hiatt MA1
Ron Owings MA1
Marcus Crespi MA1
Phil Quinn MA1
Casey Lohrman MA1
Crist Garcia MA1
Eric Lund MA1
Nick Bonzey MA2 17
Jerah Gumm MA2
Dave Stewart MA2
Ricky Scott MA2
Robert Jones MA2
Jason West MA2
Kevin Watson MA2
John Kinder MA2
James Hooper MA2
Chris Quinn MA2
Sam Gibson MA2
Mike Gibson MA2
Craig Banner MA2
Scott Duvaul MA2
Chris Dimbat MA2
Richard Raymond MA2
Hyatt Green MA2
Carl Boje MA2
Ted Harbaugh MA3 5
Michael Krasilovsky MA3
Josh Powell MA3
Tyler Pickett MA3
Kent Smothers MA3
Bob Fultz MG1 6
Jim Dubay MG1
Ralph Huntoon MG1
David Pittman MG1
Gene Fackler MG1
Brad Huggins MG1
Jesse Grasseth MM1 12
Dan Hammett MM1
Gawain Stern MM1
Kevin Allen MM1
Wayne Harvey MM1
Sean Benson MM1
Don Baughman MM1
Dennis Swanson MM1
Eric Smith MM1
Rick Reichard MM1
Greg Johnson MM1
Greg Alpert MM1
Rory Wade MPM 3
Jay Sexton MPM
Jeff Hagerty MPM
Matt Benotsch MPO 18
John Ollis MPO
Kirk McAllister MPO
Brad McDougall MPO
Ben Van Dusen MPO
Bart Yanoch MPO
Logan Grasseth MPO
Kelly Christiansen MPO
Justin Skinnell MPO
Jesse Seibel MPO
Mannie Cervantes MPO
Coury Coates MPO
Victor Cervantes MPO
Nate Sexton MPO
Brandon Hill MPO
Ryan Lane MPO
James Moore MPO
Mike Storrs MPO

Happy Festivus!



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