Ten Meter Marking Rule

[DMajor]

This came up in the tournament last weekend and there seemed to be some confusion.

The question is if your disc is on top of the ten meter line. Meaning the front of the disc is inside ten meters and the back of the disc is outside ten meters are you allowed to jump putt as long as you don't mark your disc?

The only thing I found in the rules adressing this is

"Putt: Any throw from 10 meters or less as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the hole is considered a putt."

The rule doesn't specifically say anything about not marking the disc in which case there would be no marker disc.

Opinions?

[runnaman]

Sounds like if you choose to mark your lie with a mini, you don't get to jump putt.

Simple answer, don't mark with a mini.

[TreeLove]

If you choose not to mark with a mini (can't do this if you want to throw the same disc again!), the disc becomes the marker.

[snap7times]

so if the disc is the marker, and it's more than 10 meters, jump away

[Chuck Kennedy]

You can jump putt if you don't mark with a mini and leave your disc as a marker. However, note that the painted line is not official and the distance should be measured with a tape if there's any question about the distance. I've seen Feldberg occasionally checking distances with a tape even when 10m circles are painted.

[LJ Jubner]

At what point does measuring become time wasting

[JMan]

How can it be wasting time if the pdga allows for it? If it is allowed as per the rule book it's not about time wasting, it's about playing within the rules set down by the governing body.

[all2common]

Originally Posted by JMan

How can it be wasting time if the pdga allows for it? If it is allowed as per the rule book it's not about time wasting, it's about playing within the rules set down by the governing body.

I concur. If it's a questionable distance, I don't jump putt anyway...except when the group agrees that the lie is outside the line.

[LJ Jubner]

As a TD, I am concerned about how long it takes to play each round. My point is if it's close WHY push it?

Side note At the too casual round of doubles yesterday falling putts and stance violations were the most abused rules of the round. I educated/evaluated/ re-educated/ Warned and made this guy re putt three times in 19 holes. He almost seemed pissed at me for enforcing two of the most basic rules of this game.

So my question is What are the most important rules we need to adhere too even during casual play.

I think of five
Don't advance ahead of play
Falling putt
Stance(in the neighborhood of the mini (fairway) and putting footwork)
Don't break shit
Pack it in Pack it out

[all2common]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

I think of five
Don't advance ahead of play
Falling putt
Stance(in the neighborhood of the mini (fairway) and putting footwork)
Don't break shit
Pack it in Pack it out

I concur. I wish people would just pay attention and learn/abide the rules.

[Ol' Bob]

I was just thinking the same thing (though I could use some work on it myself).

[DMajor]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

You can jump putt if you don't mark with a mini and leave your disc as a marker. However, note that the painted line is not official and the distance should be measured with a tape if there's any question about the distance. I've seen Feldberg occasionally checking distances with a tape even when 10m circles are painted.

The reason that I thought you could not jump (putt jump) in the circumstance mentioned above is that the same question came up in Feldberg's latest viral putting video

http://www.svdgc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=138&st=0&gopid=232&#entry232

He answers that regardless if you mark or not you can not jump (putt jump). I'm not trying to bash Feldberg. He seems like a good guy to me. But if you are touring the country giving clinics, are a member of the PDGA board, and one of the most recognizable people in Disc Golf you should make sure you are giving people the correct information about the rules of the game because they will usually assume you are correct.

The guy is an incredible player and teacher of the game and I would gladly pay money to take one of his classes. I hope he continues to travel and give technique clinics.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Sorry. I meant putt jump or the Feldberg step thru. Either way, you can follow thru from behind the 10m arc as long as your supporting foot is still on the ground before releasing your shot.

[Sky Pilot]

Originally Posted by DMajor

This came up in the tournament last weekend and there seemed to be some confusion.

The question is if your disc is on top of the ten meter line. Meaning the front of the disc is inside ten meters and the back of the disc is outside ten meters are you allowed to jump putt as long as you don't mark your disc?

The only thing I found in the rules adressing this is

"Putt: Any throw from 10 meters or less as measured from the rear of the marker disc to the base of the hole is considered a putt."

The rule doesn't specifically say anything about not marking the disc in which case there would be no marker disc.

Opinions?

Dave Feldberg said that 10 meters was actually 33 feet. He also said that there "isn't any such thing as a 'jump putt' it's actually a 'putt jump... : 0

[Sky Pilot]

Dave is on the board of the PDGa

[DMajor]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

Sorry. I meant putt jump or the Feldberg step thru. Either way, you can follow thru from behind the 10m arc as long as your supporting foot is still on the ground before releasing your shot.

So is he wrong in the video when he says you cant step through or puttjump when the front of your disc is inside and the back of your disc is outside?

[Chuck Kennedy]

I think you have to take the rule literally. If you decide to use your thrown disc as the marker, then the back of that disc is at least another 21cm farther from the basket pole than you would be if you marked your lie with a mini. If that extra distance puts you outside 10m then you have the option for putt jump or walk thru.

[JMan]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

I think you have to take the rule literally. If you decide to use your thrown disc as the marker, then the back of that disc is at least another 21cm farther from the basket pole than you would be if you marked your lie with a mini. If that extra distance puts you outside 10m then you have the option for putt jump or walk thru.

Bingo

And as for time concerns, well if someone wanted to they could ask for a marshal to measure. Sure it would really wreck havoc on the flow, but rules is rules...right

[RonTheWhip]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

I think you have to take the rule literally. If you decide to use your thrown disc as the marker, then the back of that disc is at least another 21cm farther from the basket pole than you would be if you marked your lie with a mini. If that extra distance puts you outside 10m then you have the option for putt jump or walk thru.

803.04 Stance, Subsequent to Teeing Off
A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line
of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc.

Does that mean I get to back up 29 centimeters behind my disc, and if that puts me outside 10 meters, I can jump putt? So, all I really have to be is 971 Centimeters (31' 9'') to jump putt?

[Chuck Kennedy]

No. The rule states the measurement is to the back of your marker to determine whether you are outside 10m, not where you launch from.