2010 lilac city open

[Wobbly Bob]

Online Registration is open for the Lilac City Open.

You can register at PDGA Signup.

The Flyer/Entry is attached below.

This year will be the best LCO ever, we are anticipating that some of the Pros from the BSF will be competing this year as in past years.

Don't sign up late, we've filled early the last three years.

[Joshua Olmsted]

I'm exited to come play in this event, I've never played in the Spokane area so it'll be good excuse to finally make the trip out there. If there are any Portland golfers interested playing let me know if you're interested in the possibility of carpooling, I get 48mpg but splitting driving costs would be extra nice.

P.S. I will still be volunteering for the first BSF weekend. Can't miss out on all the fun.

[GettinBetter]

I'll be there, I dont see me moving up from 22nd on the BSF waitlist.

[ScottW]

Will the LCO be capped at 144 (or more?) players like years past?

[Gordy #21004]

Originally Posted by ScottW

Will the LCO be capped at 144 (or more?) players like years past?

Like years past if LCO exceeds this number, somethings got to give. With a little nudge I think BOB may opt for an exibition 9 or 10 to follow regulation play since daylight will be so plentiful.......With registration just underway there are already 7 states represented. Interesting.

[ScottW]

Thanks Gordy. I forgot to do the math for how many players Jumaji could feasibly hold for 1 round.

[Wobbly Bob]

The last two year the LCO was capped at 144 and both years over 160 people got to compete.

This year the tournament cap is 180 and there is no wiggle room for more competitors.

As always there will be two pools for the LCO.

The "A" Pool will start Saturday morning at Downriver DGC. This pool will be comprised of the following divisions.

• MPO
• FPO
• MPM
• MPG
• MA1

The "B" Pool will start Saturday at Highbridge DGC. This pool will contain all of the remaining divisions.

After the first round the players will have until 2:00 pm to swap courses where they will play their second round.

BBQ burgers, BBQ dogs, chips, potato salad and drinks will be available at Downriver during the break.

As soon as the last cards come in on Saturday afternoon we will be heading out to Four Mound DGR where the standings and hole assignments for Sunday will be posted.

After the third round on Sunday there may be some type of Exhibition Competition like Skins or ????

The Instant Win CTP Qualifier will also be held after the third round, if you hit an Ace while trying to qualify for the Toss-Off at the Finals we'll give you a basket (one per tournament) before you go home that day.

Special Thanks to our food sponsor again this year. We will have beverages and dinner provided on Sunday after the rounds.

[Wobbly Bob]

Sponsorship has allowed the Lilac City Open to increase the Pro Purse from the $500 added cash minimum to $1000 added cash.

The Top Four Open players will also be competing in a '10' Hole Skins Competition after tournament play is concluded.

Each SKIN will be worth $50

[Rideout]

That is absolutely fantastic. Well done!!!

I’m really looking forward to golfing in Spokane again; it’s been a couple years.

[Joshua Olmsted]

I'll bump my earlier statement about looking for anyone from the Portland area who might be interested in carpool, I can drive or follow with any other group, with my current financial situation it would be tough to play in Spokane without being able to split up gas costs a bit.

[Stimpi]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

The Top Four Open players will also be competing in a '10' Hole Skins Competition after tournament play is concluded.

Each SKIN will be worth $50

Is that skins round only available to OPEN players, or will the finals include the top 4 scoring players? (I just like seeing old men like Marty, or Hot Rods like Jesse, try for skins)

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by Stimpi

Is that skins round only available to OPEN players, or will the finals include the top 4 scoring players? (I just like seeing old men like Marty, or Hot Rods like Jesse, try for skins)

The SKINS will be comprised of the Top 4 Open players this year.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

The SKINS will be comprised of the Top 4 Open players this year.

Not the biggest fan of the skins.. In my opinion you suck payout (In this case it's $500) away from the whole entire pro division and give it to the top 4 players..(WHO WERE ALREADY GOING TO TAKE THE MOST ANYWAY) I guess this is a good strategy if you only want the top 4 to come back next year but it seems to me that having a nice fat payout for the whole entire top 45% is what makes the pro players want to come back.. If I'm driving from Seattle and I know if I take last cash and making double my entry than to me it's completely worth the risk if funds are low.. If I know the only way to make anything is to place top 4 than I have less of a chance of going.. which means an overall smaller field for pros and an overall smaller payout which is the opposite of what organizers like Bob wants.
On the other hand I love the top 4 playing off for win, to me it allows the drama at the end of tourney to unfold in front of the crowd and its the stuff that brings back the crowds. I have heard people taking about past DRO's and LCO's where somebody hit a clutch putt or threw a clutch drive and took the tourney because of it. Those kinds of story's stick in people's minds forever.. not who took 3 skins by getting a birdie. To me skins is a let down from the competition which if I'm not mistaken is the reason why everybody is showing up in the first place. Have a big skins tourney and see if you get 180 people to show up..
I am not wishing to be critical of Bob's efforts here, Stimpi, the Windy RO and Sir Jubby Jubness have all ran their finals this way, this year. It just seems like a plague that is taking away from our game. There is little or no pressure. People didn't drive from Eugene Or. to win 5 skins.. THEY CAME HERE TO WIN A TOURNAMENT! The most important thing is the win. Allow the crowds to see these players battle it out for the TITLE!

[Yoduh]

BTW, Thanks for all TD's efforts in running tourneys and pulling in a great deal of sponsorship. It is MUCH appreciated

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Not the biggest fan of the skins.. In my opinion you suck payout (In this case it's $500) away from the whole entire pro division and give it to the top 4 players..(WHO WERE ALREADY GOING TO TAKE THE MOST ANYWAY) I guess this is a good strategy if you only want the top 4 to come back next year but it seems to me that having a nice fat payout for the whole entire top 45% is what makes the pro players want to come back.. If I'm driving from Seattle and I know if I take last cash and making double my entry than to me it's completely worth the risk if funds are low.. If I know the only way to make anything is to place top 4 than I have less of a chance of going.. which means an overall smaller field for pros and an overall smaller payout which is the opposite of what organizers like Bob wants.
On the other hand I love the top 4 playing off for win, to me it allows the drama at the end of tourney to unfold in front of the crowd and its the stuff that brings back the crowds. I have heard people taking about past DRO's and LCO's where somebody hit a clutch putt or threw a clutch drive and took the tourney because of it. Those kinds of story's stick in people's minds forever.. not who took 3 skins by getting a birdie. To me skins is a let down from the competition which if I'm not mistaken is the reason why everybody is showing up in the first place. Have a big skins tourney and see if you get 180 people to show up..
I am not wishing to be critical of Bob's efforts here, Stimpi, the Windy RO and Sir Jubby Jubness have all ran their finals this way, this year. It just seems like a plague that is taking away from our game. There is little or no pressure. People didn't drive from Eugene Or. to win 5 skins.. THEY CAME HERE TO WIN A TOURNAMENT! The most important thing is the win. Allow the crowds to see these players battle it out for the TITLE!

I'd say those are fair points, but from the other side of things (particularly the spectators), I think it's cool to watch the top players go at each hole with nothing to lose. In regular tourney play, there's always the risk/reward, and most often, the players will be playing it safe. You still get to see some good golf being played for sure, but it's not always the most exciting. Skins on the other hand, the players get to show off a bit and not have to worry too much about the consequences if their ballsy shots don't pay off. Yeah, people might not remember who won how many skins, but you can be sure people still talk about Feldberg's birdie on 16 at SeaTac, his overdrive on 17 from last year, Dion's park job/ace run on the same hole, and his sportsmanship after Ming's huge birdie on 7 this year.

The payout thing for those that don't make the cut is a legitimate gripe I suppose, but I guess it all comes down to different strokes for different folks.

[DMajor]

What's the total capacity for the LCO?

[DMajor]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Not the biggest fan of the skins.. In my opinion you suck payout (In this case it's $500) away from the whole entire pro division and give it to the top 4 players..(WHO WERE ALREADY GOING TO TAKE THE MOST ANYWAY) I guess this is a good strategy if you only want the top 4 to come back next year but it seems to me that having a nice fat payout for the whole entire top 45% is what makes the pro players want to come back.. If I'm driving from Seattle and I know if I take last cash and making double my entry than to me it's completely worth the risk if funds are low.. If I know the only way to make anything is to place top 4 than I have less of a chance of going.. which means an overall smaller field for pros and an overall smaller payout which is the opposite of what organizers like Bob wants.
On the other hand I love the top 4 playing off for win, to me it allows the drama at the end of tourney to unfold in front of the crowd and its the stuff that brings back the crowds. I have heard people taking about past DRO's and LCO's where somebody hit a clutch putt or threw a clutch drive and took the tourney because of it. Those kinds of story's stick in people's minds forever.. not who took 3 skins by getting a birdie. To me skins is a let down from the competition which if I'm not mistaken is the reason why everybody is showing up in the first place. Have a big skins tourney and see if you get 180 people to show up..
I am not wishing to be critical of Bob's efforts here, Stimpi, the Windy RO and Sir Jubby Jubness have all ran their finals this way, this year. It just seems like a plague that is taking away from our game. There is little or no pressure. People didn't drive from Eugene Or. to win 5 skins.. THEY CAME HERE TO WIN A TOURNAMENT! The most important thing is the win. Allow the crowds to see these players battle it out for the TITLE!

I agree with the above statement. Skins are fun to watch but I would much rather see the whole tournament on the line. Ming's skins performance at the CSI was memorable for sure but a come from behind win by Kyle Crabtree or even a run at a win would have been more interesting, entertaining and memorable to me.

The best players get to be the best by performing well under tournament pressure in a tournament format not because they are great skins players.

My biggest motivation to stick around and watch the top players is to learn from them and I think there is alot more to learn from the last nine holes of a tournament then there is from nine skins holes. It's fun to see those guys throw huge shots but it's even more fun when there is a title and a whole weekend on the line.

[ScottW]

Skins is fun to watch in a way but overall I think I agree with Jeremy's points most. It makes it even more fun overall for me to watch if every shot counts. I like the idea of a final 9 (or 10 in this case) but not the biggest fan of the skins format. No offense to Bob or any other TD who has done this either, just my 2 cents.

[LJ Jubner]

My idea behind the skins is
1st I start the skins not the event
2nd it's up to players/fans if the purse goes up or not.

Jeremy makes some good points about the weekend and such My point was I got tired of players playing not to lose instead of to win. I believe more players will go for it "if it's a skins situation' then not (09 CSI skins paid out almost as much as first palce did) and the sportsmanship aspect is also attractive. Kinda like Tin Cup No one remembers who won but everyone remembers the guy who put 10 in the water on the last hole. I agree it should be the hottest players even if it's an AM II.

Skins equals Fireworks

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

My idea behind the skins is
1st I start the skins not the event
2nd it's up to players/fans if the purse goes up or not.

What does this Juberish mean? Are you channeling Herm?
Thats cool but throw $200 at the pro's purse and you'd get same idea.. Hope we aren't playing the final 10 we played last year at the City Cup.. everybody that played it last year said it was a boring course. Super hard to birdie (6 or 7 of the holes are impossible par 3 1/2s) most of the holes, but there is a really cool island shot and a cool top of the world shot.