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[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

Jeremy, did you forget that there was a Candidate's Forum, exactly for that reason. You chose to wait until the last minute to throw your hat into the ring.

I have thought hard about this and because I tried to make nominations available for as many people and up to the last minute, I ended up with this situation. What started out as a good intentioned plan backfired on me .

The only way that I could think of to fix this was to have nominations open for one month and have campaigning for two months and there will be no campaigning at the meeting on election day .

How many people voted at the election? Was it really that difficult or odd to expect that the candidates would speak before the voting process? Especially considering that it's happened every single year since the SDGA has went with this process?
It was pretty obvious that after listening to your's and Gordy's speeches, that you don't want to speak before the election because it's not your strong point.
I do not consider online forums a quality place to run a cam-pain. (a restaurant is)Considering that maybe 12-15 people on this forum vote, and we had 50 voters, this forum doesn't cover the broad spectrum of voters very well. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE NO CAMPAIGNING THE DAY OF AN ELECTION BOB! That's a club decision. You aren't the whole club. Put to vote and your members would vote you down in this area, but you keep manipulating what's best for you. Why are you afraid/against allowing candidates to speak before the election? Please don't say time, 6 people taking up a max of 5 minutes a piece is only 30 minutes. Our club meetings are legendary for their length. Don't let everybody miss out on a once a year Time warp again!

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

How many people voted at the election? Was it really that difficult or odd to expect that the candidates would speak before the voting process? Especially considering that it's happened every single year since the SDGA has went with this process?
It was pretty obvious that after listening to your's and Gordy's speeches, that you don't want to speak before the election because it's not your strong point.
I do not consider online forums a quality place to run a cam-pain. (a restaurant is)Considering that maybe 12-15 people on this forum vote, and we had 50 voters, this forum doesn't cover the broad spectrum of voters very well. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT THERE WILL BE NO CAMPAIGNING THE DAY OF AN ELECTION BOB! That's a club decision. You aren't the whole club. Put to vote and your members would vote you down in this area, but you keep manipulating what's best for you. Why are you afraid/against allowing candidates to speak before the election? Please don't say time, 6 people taking up a max of 5 minutes a piece is only 30 minutes. Our club meetings are legendary for their length. Don't let everybody miss out on a once a year Time warp again!

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

BLAH BLAH BLAH! If people are there to vote for the candidates, then quite simply they should be allowed to speak. We aren't running million dollar campaigns like a president. As I said maybe 15 people read these forums, 50 people voted. I know it would would be tough to loose an election because you can't convince the voters the day of the election because you can't speak about what you intend to do eloquently.
Actually if you look at it is modeled after the U.S. System in that 30% of the people voting actually know what they are voting for. Good job Bob

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

Where is Nevin's? I think he's a very smart and from what I hear he could probably write a markedly better charter He could use a chainsaw or a boning knife. Tim if your reading this you should ask the doctors you work with and help organize which utensil you should use to help us rewrite the constitution
Does it make sense to give him feedback, and then let him write it? He could just propose it, and present it at a club meeting. All the members could talk about it and vote on it.

Bueller? Anyone?

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

BLAH BLAH BLAH! If people are there to vote for the candidates, then quite simply they should be allowed to speak. We aren't running million dollar campaigns like a president. As I said maybe 15 people read these forums, 50 people voted. I know it would would be tough to loose an election because you can't convince the voters the day of the election because you can't speak about what you intend to do eloquently.
Actually if you look at it is modeled after the U.S. System in that 30% of the people voting actually know what they are voting for. Good job Bob

Put your volunteer time where your mouth is Jeremy. I challenge you to step up and run the election committee next year.

[Lyounger]

...compassion and civility towards others.

[Yoduh]

I have decided to accept Bob's invitation to run the SDGA election's next year.

[Lyounger]

This is great news :-)

I have every confidence you will do an exceptional job and you will feel rewarded for being a part of a successful effort to improve the club.

Thanks for stepping up!!

[Wobbly Bob]

Jeremy, what I said was that I challenge you to be the Election Secretary, you have twisted my words and made it sound like I invited you to be the Election Secretary. The Election Secretary is a Board appointed position. You will have to petition and be approved by the Board to hold this position.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

Yeah sure Bob...

[Yoduh]

Clinging to power is a nice look for you.

[psychodwarf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob
On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

Yeah sure Bob...

did you not read this yoduh ? it says "then step up and volunteer for this upcoming election" it did not say "come and take over this election" . and i would also have to agree with LYOUNGER in that there should be compassion and civility towards others when using this forum instead of just badmouthing other people(yes i am one of them badmouthing ppl and i am srry about it ) just to get their point across.

please take this to heart when posting "it aint no better then standing on your front porch yelling at everyone who walks by " so please think before you post IT just might be a little hurtful

[jshrack]

Odd... I remember a similar discussion at one of our meetings.
It was brought up at a club meeting, as a possible conflict of interest to have a candidate running the elections, and quickly passed over since this is a duty of the Public Relations officer and always has been...

This is what I was lead to believe, anyway.

Had our Board been given this option, I would be DISGUSTED at them appointing one of the five candidates to run the election process.
With all the other people who could do the job, it would seem extremely suspect to appoint Bob the duty.
Thankfully this was NOT the case as the Board never made such an appointment.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

I never said you couldn't campaign on the day of the election, what I said was that there would be no campaigning at the election meeting.

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

On the positive side, if you think that you can do a better job and you want to put the work into what it takes to run the election then step up and volunteer to be the Election Secretary for this upcoming election. I will gladly turn the responsibility for this over to you.

I believe that it clearly states right here that Bob is more than willing to turn the election process over to me, Joe. I did nothing to illicit any such offer from Bob, I merely accepted it. No where in the charter does it say that the Board must vote on who the election Secretary is.
Shrack, thanks for pointing out another glaring mistake that the SDGA made, allowing a Board member running for a posistion, to also be the election Secretary is a very clear conflict of interest. Is that how the US system works? Bob misreported the vote count to this forum too. Seems like you have enough on your plate Bob. I'm pretty sure I could handle something as simple as running an election.
Quoted by Leslie
This is great news :-)

I have every confidence you will do an exceptional job and you will feel rewarded for being a part of a successful effort to improve the club.

Thanks for stepping up!!
Thanks for your vote of confidence Leslie. I will do my best!

[Parks]

Next open member meeting with be Tuesday, July 12th, at 7pm. We will be meeting at 5 Mile Pizza at 6409 N Maple St.

Haven't had a meeting in a while, so this should be a good one.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Lyounger

...compassion and civility towards others.

Yes please. I am very taken aback by the vitriol and spite I read when I come on the forum.

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

I don't know if you vote in US political elections, but when you go to the polls, the campaigning is over and it's time to vote. It's not a bad model to craft our own elections after.

Well-I am going to have to disagree there Bob. There are no SDGA TV campaign ads, print ads or mailers. We are not inundated by bus tours, train stops and televised debates Participation on the forum is sparce and limited to just a core group.

As a grass roots organization, we should strive to be as enjoining and member friendly as possible~feasible~reasonable. I think that it is not only well within reason but a great idea for the members to hear what candidates have to say before an election...to ask questions...to hear answers and with that-if they choose to attend meetings-cast their informed vote.

My 2 cents anyways...

[Miguel]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

Jeremy, did you forget that there was a Candidate's Forum, exactly for that reason. You chose to wait until the last minute to throw your hat into the ring.

I have thought hard about this and because I tried to make nominations available for as many people and up to the last minute, I ended up with this situation. What started out as a good intentioned plan backfired on me .

The only way that I could think of to fix this was to have nominations open for one month and have campaigning for two months and there will be no campaigning at the meeting on election day .

Bob-sorry...I missed that post about the forum. Can you help me understand the rationale behind no campaigning or speeches the day of? Just curious...

[Wobbly Bob]

Over half of the people voting sign up for membership on the night of the election. This last minute sign up takes time from the meeting.

It doesn't matter how the election is run, some people will find fault with the way it was run.

I have grown weary from people complaining about how I have run the elections. The board will be selecting someone else to do this job for 2012.

[Yoduh]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

Over half of the people voting sign up for membership on the night of the election. This last minute sign up takes time from the meeting.

It doesn't matter how the election is run, some people will find fault with the way it was run.

I have grown weary from people complaining about how I have run the elections. The board will be selecting someone else to do this job for 2012.

I am very happy that Dr. Mike can see the obvious complaint that I have. If I would have just went past my bachelor's degree at WSU and got my Doctorate than maybe I could have been as eloquent as he is

We have ran every election up until this year in the manor that Dr. Mike and I are speaking of. I think that the process was skewed on purpose and I call for a reelection. If you are tired Bob you can step down.