2010 CSI Pre Release

[LJ Jubner]

pDGA site updated.

4Th Vendor added. Stimpi Ridge.

For those of you on the wait list I will try and notify the out of townees ASAP so you can make travel arrangements. Thanks for your patience.

Red shirts, Micro putt trophies, two great INWS promotions, course raffle and DGA test drive. I might have to add another day just for the promos.

I would consider splitting weekends next year but the double dipping national fees are a killer.

[Yoduh]

Well Jubby.. I called you 3 times in 3 days and never got a response from you but left you 3 messages about my interest in playing the CSI. A couple days later I told Ed Dopplemiar about the rapid filling of your tourney and he said oh crap I better call. You again didn't answer and he left you a message too. 4 days later one of his friends from the tri-citys called and said hey whats your ride for the tourney and he said I'm not sure I'm in and his friend said your on the list. Strange seeing that I should have been on the list before him
I must say you are using some interesting communication techniques here and also some alternative methods for filling events. Maybe you can enlighten us on the internet seeing as how you can't explain over the phone what is going on, Thanks Jeremy

[LJ Jubner]

I can tell you I have one spot open but it's kind'a pricey. For a $500 contribution (Title Sponsorship) you would get one complimentary entry. Interested?

As you know Jeremy CSI is an Invitational. Ed has played all of them. The fact that Big Mike scolded me at the 4 Player the first weekend in March that Ed wanted in put him ahead of you on the list. By the way He was the first added name last Monday.

When CSI is announced The Invitational responses limit how many each division will allow by how quickly each fills up. I normally like to send the Open groups out as 5's, When the event is R.S.V.P full (and before the Sat malay) I only add players in the same fields trying to keep the groups/divisions numerically the same. Now on Sat and if there are openings I will take whomever's "GOT Cash" till it's "SOLD OUT".

I have players from Cincinnati, Boise, Missoula, Portland and several Canadians all hoping to get in. That does not even address the dozen or so locals who are also still clinging to that glimmer hope.

My best advice to anyone not in the 2010 CSI take your chances on a Sat entry and come out. I will do what the course allows me to do.

[Yoduh]

As for the $500 added thing, that comment makes it seem as if you do have room for an added spot. If nobody steps up does that mean I'm in? We just played an "A" tier in Sacremento that had 4 ghost groups on it. (One group with ED in it was thrown in the very last minute) With the amount of Par 4's you have you could easily do the same thing.. Say on hole one for instance. There is a hole that plays fairly quickly and a hole behind it that plays fairly slow.. One group added.. I'm in again! So I see 2 easy ways to make it in without having to drive accross the state with my fingers crossed wondering if I'm gonna make it in over someone else who has played 5 CSI's to my 4. I have placed top 3 in every INWS series and ED has never played enough to qualify. So by that random fact I deserve to be in.. I like your random and very creative selection process.
I am just happy that at least I am getting some communication going with ya.. I thought you were missing Guess I need to get an internet phone so I can use something more conveniant than those darn annoying tedious phones!

[LJ Jubner]

Drive and Hope: Now that's old school kinda like the wink and point then "I will pay you later" pre registration method.

Actually the $500 bucks would silence the rest of the field about the ghost group. As far as Sacto goes that was an "Open Only Field" and a much easier course then SeaTac especially for said skill level.


CSI has been listed online since the middle of Jan. The original flyer limited the field to 72 and I alone allowed it to go to 90. Habitually speaking Ams sign up really early and most Open are procrastinators To illustrate my point

Look at BSF the Am pool has sold out TWICE with a waiting list a mile long. The Open field is still 20 some players short of even selling out once.

Now because of your late decision to try and play I am supposed to increase it again. I think not. I have never ever liked ghosts groups (same with added holes and or pools) and will never offer them especially at the Tac. In my experience it backs up the course INSTANTLY and is just another way for the TD to increase the events total numbers.

I believe over capacity events inhibit the quality and experience of ALL it's participants. The needs of the many out weight the needs of the few or the one!

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Habitually speaking Ams sign up really early and most Open are procrastinators.

Jub, don't you mean PROcrastinators?

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

Jub, don't you mean PROcrastinators?

Swung on and Belterd! DEEP! It's! It's by by baby!

[Yoduh]

All I am really asking is that you sign people up in the order they call instead of contriving some sort of last second rule only that applies to 2 participants in your head. It isn't right and it looks really bad.

Speaking of the BSF how would your tactics apply to signing up people who want to participate in that event. I'm sure the PDGA would LOVE IT!!

Next year if you want to do voodoo sign up, have it go for the whole entire event and wait till 3 weeks before the event and let people who have played the most CSI's into the event first.

[RonTheWhip]

CAN'T WAIT for this weekend, first time playing SeaTac and first CSI ever!

[The Ombudsman]

Originally Posted by RonTheWhip

CAN'T WAIT for this weekend, first time playing SeaTac and first CSI ever!

You my friend, are in for a real treat!
The course is SWEET right now!
Bring all of your shots because you will use them all...

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

All I am really asking is that you sign people up in the order they call instead of contriving some sort of last second rule only that applies to 2 participants in your head. It isn't right and it looks really bad.

Speaking of the BSF how would your tactics apply to signing up people who want to participate in that event. I'm sure the PDGA would LOVE IT!!

Next year if you want to do voodoo sign up, have it go for the whole entire event and wait till 3 weeks before the event and let people who have played the most CSI's into the event first.

I have always used the same criteria for adding players once CSI fills.

As far as order goes you mentioned the phone I have gotten emails, PM, Paypal notes and yes even standing right in front of me. So maybe by relying on only one of them is not going to be enough anymore.

BSF I am not implying anything here about the BSF

my point was in general and on the whole open players tend to wait till the last minute and then expect to get in. Now assuming the pDGA even cares how the waiting list works. Personally I won't cash anyones check before I know they are in.

Again no slight intended, or implied to the BSF.

Voodoo
75% of the original invitees were personal friends of Dan's. Pender was Dans favorite event every year. The Montana players have always supported CSI (inaugural one was sponsored by Big Sky that $500 thing) so that's why they get first crack. 1000 rated players also get early RSVP access. Dave, Brody, Big Mike are all past champions. Nate, Dion, Chandler recently relocated Kyle are all great young talent and I am happy to have them.
I always have a strong ladies contingent (across all divisions) but wish more could come.
This years ADV Men has some up and comers. Jamie, D Major, B Parson and Jon Wills all played well at Bob West. Some players stepping up like Rahn, K Baker playing with their "true potential" peers.

Oh and my friends

But what it really comes down too is? Open players are the draw not the reward.

[TYVEK]

personally i really like the "invitational" aspect of this tournament because it really ensures that there will some spectacular players here. for those that are not able to play or just want to watch, it gives them a great showing of disc golf skills on a great course. keep up the good work Jub. hopefully becca and i can make it up there for some spectating this weekend.

[LJ Jubner]

Hey thats a good idea if you can't play come on out and watch some WCP in action.

and don't forget your Yauger Bomb

[DMajor]

Yeah the pro lead card on Sunday is guaranteed to be good. Is there a final nine this year?

[TYVEK]

Originally Posted by DMajor

Yeah the pro lead card on Sunday is guaranteed to be good. Is there a final nine this year?

with all the huge talent at this years tournament, i think that there really really needs to be a final nine so everybody can watch these guys play!
it sucks when your playing in a tournament and there is no final nine so you never get a chance to see the top players actually playing, because they are playing at the same time you are.

[LJ Jubner]

Thats why I have exhibition skins. Take the top 4-5 players and let em really play for the added cash

[Yoduh]

You had a lot more ladies the year before but I heard you decided last minute to change them into an am ladies division.. That's a good way to go from 9 women to 5 with only 3 returning.
I realize there are alot of ways to fill a tournament but its pretty easy to know that you are getting passed over when you are the one that told somebody they needed to try and get in well after you have already tried. Don't think I've EVER heard of this before..
Anyone on the Forum ever hear of such a practice?


I only met Dan a few times but I had a great time playing a round with him on one occasion. I also have to say the Cool shoes baskets we have at Downriver are my favorite baskets to putt on, to bad you guys don't hold this tournament on a course that is filled with baskets that Dan built with his hands.. I always laugh when people show up to play downriver and they miss low and get sling shot off of the rim cause there aren't any nubs.. I really dislike nubs

[LJ Jubner]

Well Jeremy It's too bad you feel you are being passed over. You can whine about how the ladies field went from 9 last year to 7 this year. But it's still your tardiness that is keeping you from this years event. You mentioned you called from Bob West Right? How long in advance did you sign up for it? Better Yet are you already signed up for 2011?*

CSI has been on this thread since DEC 19TH 2009 and nationally since early Jan

Was this not enough time? I can tell you next years CSI is going to be on the first weekend in April.


My idea for low entry fee was documented and announced well in advance on the flyer. The idea was to try and encourage more ladies to play in general and players to play more for fun and less for competition. Is'nt it convenient that you only mentioned the ladies and their lower entry fees in "09". When in fact I also lowered the Age protected Ams to the same level. In the end by lowering said fees I forfeited the payout for 24 Am's. AND you neglected to mention the extended players packs each Reduced Entry player received.

* not saying CSI is anything like Bob West, just they are both early season events and will sell out. CSI is the first sanctioned event in the state.

This rant aside I do feel sorry for the rest of those who really wanted to play. I feel sorry for the players who just moved here and are getting shut out!

Like I said before I'd split weekends but the double fees are a killer.

[ChUcK]

I'm pretty stoked for CSI, and I'm not even playing the thing... Dan's right, the lead (and 2nd) cards on Sunday will have some heavy-hitting action.

Any predictions for the lead card Sunday?

I bet it will be Nate, Big Mike, Brody, and either Feldberg or Crabtree. It's really hard to say though, because of all the locals who are more comfortable with Seatac than the touring pros. It very well could be a Big Mike, Waugh, Cain, and Werth fending off the top spots from the foreign devils.

[LJ Jubner]

I don't think we need to wait till the third round! I bet the fireworks are early and often.