OR Team DG: Captain's Meeting Summary

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Here's a quick summary of what went on at the captain's meeting last
night. Please chime in with corrections, clarifications, and additions.

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

4. Much gnashing of teeth was done regarding how to achieve a better
split of teams between Sat/Sun. Here are some proposals:

A. Leave the split at 10/6 and use the following schedule:
Sunday teams play every other team once;
Saturday teams play every other team (except one) twice.

One unresolved issue here is that Team Skinny "has" to play on
Sunday yet there is another new team (3 C's & a D) that has more
"seniority" and also wants to take that last Sunday spot. The
remaining 9 Sunday spots are taken by teams from last year.

B. Force one or more Sunday teams to move to Saturday even if
that means those teams will have to replace players that
can't play on Saturday.

C. Each week have two teams from Sunday play on Saturday to make
an 8/8 split. This would allow mingling of teams from both
days which otherwise won't happen expect on Dec. 6th at
Horning's and the final at Milo.

The problem with this proposal is that some teams have players
that absolutely can't play on Saturdays.

D. Get two (or four) new teams to sign up for Saturday to help even
the days out.

One point regarding an uneven split that no one has raised yet is: how
do the year end championships get arranged? Historically the two
divisions have been evenly split and the first plays first, second
plays second, etc. With an uneven number of teams we can't do this.
One idea is to still have the two firsts play off for the championship
and then seed all the remaining teams by their point totals and have
3rd/4th play, 5th/6th play, etc.

[LegoRules]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

Here's a quick summary of what went on at the captain's meeting last
night. Please chime in with corrections, clarifications, and additions.

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

4. Much gnashing of teeth was done regarding how to achieve a better
split of teams between Sat/Sun. Here are some proposals:

A. Leave the split at 10/6 and use the following schedule:
Sunday teams play every other team once;
Saturday teams play every other team (except one) twice.

One unresolved issue here is that Team Skinny "has" to play on
Sunday yet there is another new team (3 C's & a D) that has more
"seniority" and also wants to take that last Sunday spot. The
remaining 9 Sunday spots are taken by teams from last year.

B. Force one or more Sunday teams to move to Saturday even if
that means those teams will have to replace players that
can't play on Saturday.

C. Each week have two teams from Sunday play on Saturday to make
an 8/8 split. This would allow mingling of teams from both
days which otherwise won't happen expect on Dec. 6th at
Horning's and the final at Milo.

The problem with this proposal is that some teams have players
that absolutely can't play on Saturdays.

D. Get two (or four) new teams to sign up for Saturday to help even
the days out.

One point regarding an uneven split that no one has raised yet is: how
do the year end championships get arranged? Historically the two
divisions have been evenly split and the first plays first, second
plays second, etc. With an uneven number of teams we can't do this.
One idea is to still have the two firsts play off for the championship
and then seed all the remaining teams by their point totals and have
3rd/4th play, 5th/6th play, etc.

That's about the jist of it Jeff except I want to clarify that our team was willing to give up our rank for the 8/8 spit, but not so much for a 10/6 split. Not sure how the other new teams feel, but it is kinda unfair for a new team to come in and get to play on the big fat Sunday league while the rest of us have to play with just 6 teams. Let's just beat the drum hard for team disc golf, and maybe we can come up with a couple more teams. That would be the easiest solution to make it a 8/10 split at least. If that does not happen I would vote for C in that each week some Sunday teams play on Saturday. Obviously that would make it way more complicated to make up the schedule though.

Cindy

[Celeste]

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.

[Pizzel]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

2. A proposal to change the way doubles teams are rated back to
averaging the two player's ratings (like two years ago) instead of
taking the highest player's rating on the team (like last year)
was DEFEATED 7-5.

3. A proposal to require a player to play a singles match if they are
also going to play a doubles match was APPROVED. This is to
prevent a team that shows with 5 or 6 players from "hiding" a
player in doubles all match. Normally a team that wants the 7
player bonus point must put each player in at least one singles
match. If a team doesn't have 7 players for a match there is no
incentive to play everyone in at least one singles match since you
can't get the bonus point anyway. Therefore this new rule.

Hey Cappy-

Can you expand on how doubles will be incorporated this year. Will it be similar to last year with the addition of the rule noted above?

Thanks.

JP

[Jet]

Originally Posted by Celeste

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.

Prego's can still play.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Originally Posted by Celeste

Clarification on #1. Mid-season replacements were only approved for injury and moving out of state. Tough beans on jail or baby makin.

Thank God for the new rule! If anyone is gonna need a replacement for JAIL time it's D&D.

Bob

[Minordiety]

Originally Posted by "Over the Hill" Bob

Thank God for the new rule! If anyone is gonna need a replacement for JAIL time it's D&D.

Bob

Yeah, Bob, but how the heck can you replace a whole team?

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Originally Posted by Pizzel

Can you expand on how doubles will be incorporated this year. Will it be similar to last year with the addition of the rule noted above?

Yes. The handicap will be based on the difference in rating between the highest rated player on each doubles team (same as last year).

The new rule can be simply stated as: You must play singles if you're going to play doubles. If a player plays doubles in the morning round with the intent of playing singles in the afternoon but doesn't for some reason then we agreed that their team will forfeit the morning doubles result (as if they didn't field a doubles team at all).

[Pizzel]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hemmerling

Yes. The handicap will be based on the difference in rating between the highest rated player on each doubles team (same as last year).

The new rule can be simply stated as: You must play singles if you're going to play doubles. If a player plays doubles in the morning round with the intent of playing singles in the afternoon but doesn't for some reason then we agreed that their team will forfeit the morning doubles result (as if they didn't field a doubles team at all).

Got it.....but can you expand on the overall format? For example, will there be four singles matches in the morning and afternoon and only doulbes matches if teams have enough players (like last year)? Spanks!

[jevon]

Originally Posted by Pizzel

Got it.....but can you expand on the overall format? For example, will there be four singles matches in the morning and afternoon and only doulbes matches if teams have enough players (like last year)? Spanks!

Yes. You must have your four singles players before doubles can be played. One team MUST have at least 6 people in order to play doubles. If both teams only have 5 then there is no doubles match. You can't have two people playing Cali.

[kel]

1. A proposal to allow each team one mid-season replacement due to
injury, moving, new job, childbirth, jail, etc. was APPROVED 12-0.

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.

[jevon]

Originally Posted by kel

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.

Ha! Yeah, I'm pretty sure George was against it. Maybe Jeff didn't have his hearing aid turned up?

[Darr]

Originally Posted by jevon

Ha! Yeah, I'm pretty sure George was against it. Maybe Jeff didn't have his hearing aid turned up?

He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule

[D-Walk]

Originally Posted by Darr

He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule

So now the question is which team will be the first to club their weakest player like a baby seal to be able to replace them?

Maybe we can get Tanya Harding to start up a Saturday team.

[Jeff Hemmerling]

Originally Posted by kel

This is a grossly inaccurate representation of what actually took place. I am certain of at least 1 vote against!

OK, OK, so maybe I got the exact numbers wrong. It was a pretty lopsided vote. I wasn't taking notes so it's all from memory and we all know (especially Jevon) how bad my memory is, getting on in years like I am...

Originally Posted by kel

Probably best for you not to short-hand and short-stroke simultaneously when taking notes Hemmerling.

Damn it Kel, can't you keep a secret!

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Originally Posted by Darr

He mentioned that, our team will be referring to this new disgrace to Team Golf as: the Pussy Rule

Why does it always have to be about YOU, Darr?

Bob

[Captain Save-A-Ho]

There is one other solution to the Saturday/Sunday problem, and that is to go back to playing all the matches on SUNDAY like TDG was originally meant to be. This could easily be accomplished by alternating courses between the A and B leagues and I would be happy to help run the paperwork on the alternate course. I know there is ONE team that cannot play on Sunday, and I am sorry, but we are trying to find a solution that is for the better of ALL the teams and this might be the easiest. I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way. If that is the case this issue will rear its ugly head again next season. If we play two different courses every Sunday with the two opposing team captains contacting each other ahead of the match to confirm the location I think even the D and D's could show up to the correct course. I have volunteered to help out with running the deal at the alternate course, and I know there are others that would help also. I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

[Scotty B]

Originally Posted by DMZ

There is one other solution to the Saturday/Sunday problem, and that is to go back to playing all the matches on SUNDAY like TDG was originally meant to be. This could easily be accomplished by alternating courses between the A and B leagues and I would be happy to help run the paperwork on the alternate course. I know there is ONE team that cannot play on Sunday, and I am sorry, but we are trying to find a solution that is for the better of ALL the teams and this might be the easiest. I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way. If that is the case this issue will rear its ugly head again next season. If we play two different courses every Sunday with the two opposing team captains contacting each other ahead of the match to confirm the location I think even the D and D's could show up to the correct course. I have volunteered to help out with running the deal at the alternate course, and I know there are others that would help also. I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

Playing all the matches on sunday would eliminate some teams that can only play on saturday unless that is your intent. I will be more then happy to learn everything that it takes to run TDG and next year we can keep the 2 days seperate and hopefuly we can grow to be like the traditional sunday crew keep all your teams on sunday the solution was said in a post on this thread above. I believe that it stated to have both days first place teams play for the chamopionship and then it goes from point totals from the season seems easy enough that way we don't have to disrupt the sunday tradition cool.

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by DMZ

I have spoken to a few people that have played TDG for a LONG time and they all say that Sunday TGD is a tradition, and that they want it to stay that way.

Just who have you SPOKEN TO? Really i want to hear who these LONG TIME players are??

Originally Posted by DMZ

I am sorry to Jet and the other Crazy 18s that cannot play on Sunday, but this idea had to be presented as it is another solution to this issue.

And you presented this at the Captains meeting??

naw lets wait till after then bring it up again.......

THERE WILL BE Sat/Sun of TDG

Here is a scenario for you if my team goes to the Dalles in week 1 and we have 70 sunny blue skies, then 2 weeks later your team goes to the Dalles and it is 35 with the winds blowing at 50 mph that is fair right??

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by Scotty B

I will be more then happy to learn everything that it takes to run TDG and next year we can keep the 2 days seperate and hopefuly we can grow to be like the traditional sunday crew keep all your teams on sunday the solution was said in a post on this thread above.

Thanx for the offer Scotty

Keith Shupp and myself will be Co-TD-ing the Sat. version of TDG and between us we have 20+ years TDG under are belts...

So i think this will become way more fun than those on Sunday's could ever think of having.......