Sah-Hah-Lee Golf Course - Page 3 - New Courses

Adam Schneider · #41 September 15th, 2009, 10:43 AM

Bullseye, I'm not saying long courses shouldn't exist... only that they are likely to appeal to a smaller (albeit hardcore) segment of the disc golf community. Especially if they cost real money to play.

The ideal situation, of course, is a longer course with pro and amateur tee pads: everybody wins. (It's really surprising how rare alternate teepads are, when you think about it.)

Bullseye · #42 September 15th, 2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

How many times a week? And how many of you are there? Those are the questions a course has to ask before setting their prices.

I'd pay to play a couple times a week in the winter and more in the summer. I have played on ball golf courses several times and I love it, so it's worth it to me. I know a lot of people who would play there as well.

We have plenty of small to medium courses in the area, but only a few grown up courses. I want more of those.

Bullseye · #43 September 15th, 2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

Bullseye, I'm not saying long courses shouldn't exist... only that they are likely to appeal to a smaller (albeit hardcore) segment of the disc golf community. Especially if they cost real money to play.

The ideal situation, of course, is a longer course with pro and amateur tee pads: everybody wins. (It's really surprising how rare alternate teepads are, when you think about it.)

I agree. The only thing I worry about with 2 sets of pads is the chance of two group teeing off on each other. This doesn't happen that frequently at Milo, where the AM pads are easily visible from the PRO pads, but at Stielly where they have criss-crossing baskets and pads all over the place. If designed properly that is a great solution.

TreeLove · #44 September 15th, 2009, 10:52 AM

Oakway was not "long and open". It had trees, water, elevation, sand, out-of-bounds, and numerous other challenging obstacles. It also had amenities like cold beverages, carts, a restaurant, and more, all of which were part of its value. I would gladly have continued to pay to play there, and I could have easily have brought a full carload every time. And Milo is NOT free.

Par 3 golf gets boring. You either occasionally park your drive, make an occasional long putt, get thousands of threes, and occasionally make a big mistake and take a bogey.

I prefer holes where no one is reaching the green, and instead you must carefully place your tee shot. Not necessarily throw it down a three-foot-wide slot, but place it correctly. That is difficult and challenging, sometimes even more so if there are not rows of trees down both sides.

I like upshots that are long enough that they are tough to execute. I like a long enough holes that you can make a mistake and still recover. It is also nice to be rewarded for a long, accurate throw once in a while. I like courses where a roller, thumber, or other less-conventional shot might be a better choice in certain places than the usual flat shot.

And I just don't see how talking someone OUT of installing disc golf benefits the sport. Maybe you could have helped find ways to SUCCEED with disc golf, instead of simply dissuading him from it? Maybe he could have installed it without spending thousands? Tone poles? Natural tees? Fund raisers? There, I just had 3 ideas in about 2 seconds...

Sam · #45 September 15th, 2009, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

The ideal situation, of course, is a longer course with pro and amateur tee pads: everybody wins. (It's really surprising how rare alternate teepads are, when you think about it.)

Come to think of it... I can only think of one course in the area with pro and am tees.

It's the best course in the state, Adam. You know which one I am talking about... right?

Adam Schneider · #46 September 15th, 2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Come to think of it... I can only think of one course in the area with pro and am tees.

It's the best course in the state, Adam. You know which one I am talking about... right?

Yup. Lunchtime.

Adam Schneider · #47 September 15th, 2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

I agree. The only thing I worry about with 2 sets of pads is the chance of two group teeing off on each other. This doesn't happen that frequently at Milo, where the AM pads are easily visible from the PRO pads, but at Stielly where they have criss-crossing baskets and pads all over the place. If designed properly that is a great solution.

I didn't think the problem at Steilly was amateur pads, but rather a whole bunch of completely different layouts all overlapping one another... right?

SMOKIN JOE · #48 September 15th, 2009, 11:32 AM

we add holes when we play there
I believe after hole three you throw towards the lake
after that you throw across the lake
after that you throw back towards the road
so call it 3b,c,d
apparently you haven't played it with the extra holes up

Tim · #49 September 15th, 2009, 11:36 AM

Uh, where again?

Adam Schneider · #50 September 15th, 2009, 11:38 AM

Smokin' Joe is talking about Tadmor.

Bullseye · #51 September 15th, 2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

I didn't think the problem at Steilly was amateur pads, but rather a whole bunch of completely different layouts all overlapping one another... right?

There's a little bit of both problems at Stielly... Its getting better, but its still a mess.

keith_shupp · #52 September 15th, 2009, 11:48 AM

Mt Scott ball golf course was the first in the state to add disc golf at first it was nice to play something harder and longer. Myself I thought it was great but the only draw back was the cost to play it all the time ( not worth it ). The owners were excited at first because people showed up but after a while it slowed down and they were lucky to get 2 a day to play. The owner and ball players did not like the fact that disc golfers would not respect the ball golfers by crossing fairways and yelling out loud and also the pot smoking.

I cant believe how some of you put down other golfers because of what kind of course they like. They are all great and you should be happy to have so many to choose from. Disc golf started from what some of you call pitch and putt because you had small area to design a course in plus the disc technology has changed alot well more than alot because we started with midnight flyers. Pitch and put courses are tight and you use the tree,s for obstacle. Long open courses like Milo and ball courses is about placement of throws. Mountian courses are all about release and speed of disc so I see it as different types of disc golf. Im sure disc golf will go through more changes in years to come. So shut up and be happy any new course is going in the ground if you like it or not.

Sam you should go and play Camp Tadmor it is the hardest 18 hole course in Oregon and they do have some long hole like 17 its about 570ft. You must have all your disc golf skills to kick that courses butt.

Ol' Bob · #53 September 15th, 2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

The bummer is, I can't enjoy short courses very much, but those of you who like the short courses can STILL have fun on the big courses.

Funny that this doesn't work both ways.

Sam · #54 September 15th, 2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

Yup. Lunchtime.

Can you show me the short pad for 11? Maybe the long pad for 5?

Sorry... but 1/6th of that course has only one pad. Thinking about it, I guess Milo is about the same (2, 3, 15, 16, 17, 18).

Adam Schneider · #55 September 15th, 2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Can you show me the short pad for 11? Maybe the long pad for 5?

Lunchtime #5 does have two pads. Or it did, before the "normal" one got smashed to pieces lately. (What's up with that, does anyone know?)

Bullseye · #56 September 15th, 2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Bob

Funny that this doesn't work both ways.

Well, it doesn't work both ways because you simply don't even need a driver on a course with holes shorter than 200 ft. I played Dexter all weekend long and that is a fun course. It has some short holes, and it has some long holes. There are heavily wooded holes and there are a few open bomber holes. The course is good because it has good balance.

Sam · #57 September 15th, 2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

Lunchtime #5 does have two pads. Or it did, before the "normal" one got smashed to pieces lately. (What's up with that, does anyone know?)

The church did that. No more long pad on #5, sadly. The neighbors (way over to the right at the end of the fairway) were getting shelled and asked that the church put a stop to it.

Bluedisc · #58 September 15th, 2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

Again, I'm just expressing my opinion, and you're basically telling me that it's wrong. That's way more messed up than me thinking Timber is more fun than McIver (and note I said "more fun," not "better").

But really, you are wrong...
Your "opinion" of what the majority of discers think couldn't be more off.

Just start a survey already....

Eliminating opportunities to grow disc golf in any way is "way more messed up." (in my meaningless opinion)

Adam Schneider · #59 September 15th, 2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluedisc

Your "opinion" of what the majority of discers think couldn't be more off.

Why do you people get so defensive when someone disagrees with your idea of what makes a great course?

I never said I know what everyone thinks, only that fanatics who would pay $10+ for a round of disc golf are probably NOT a majority of disc golfers in general. Do you really think that's inaccurate? And don't even try to do a "poll" on here, because this forum is far from a representative sample.

zippyboy · #60 September 15th, 2009, 09:38 PM

Oh my God! There are a few of us that would rather play disc golf somewhere other than Milo?!? Perish the thought. Sam, Bullseye, etc., I know that when I think pitch-and-putt courses, Trojan and Lucky Mud are the first two that come to mind. Jesus, what a bunch of freaking elitists! Let me know the next time either of you come out an throw either of those courses at better than 12 down...

Sorry to offend some of the big guns that think its either Milo or Orchard as far as courses go. Not everyone looks for the same experience in disc golf that you two seem to. If you guys have more fun at Milo than any other course, that's swell. I have enjoyed playing at Milo, but, I also enjoy throwing a round at Glenwood - all depends on the day, the weather, where I'm at, and how much I feel like throwing.

Apparently I am not cut out to be a pro disc golfer (though, I'm not sure about you guys, either). Meh. I'm happy when weekends (or the occasional mid-week afternoon) afford me the chance to throw - wherever that may be. Save the smoke for yourselves, and get off the high horse. And as far as the stumbling drunk 10-some, I've never experienced that at the Mud, or Trojan. However, one Friday after Thanksgiving, I did run into one of those groups at Milo. Its where I met Sam and Gawain (and numerous others) for the first time... Hmmm......

Oh, and taking a cue from previous posts, if I put one of these here

it means nobody should take offense to what I wrote above.