Sah-Hah-Lee Golf Course - Page 2 - New Courses

Adam Schneider · #21 September 14th, 2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

Where are you getting your numbers? For one, Oakway was not "massively long". For two, how do you know there are not hordes of disc golfers dying to pay to play on longer, more manicured courses? And when done properly, disc golf need not reduce a ball golf course's business, it can INCREASE their business.

Right, which is why I said it could be a problem only if the numbers aren't there AND it interferes with the ball-golf. If having a handful of disc golfers out there alienates the "regulars," they've got a problem. I'm not saying that's how it's going to be, just that they've got to consider it and do it right.

I don't know that there aren't hordes of disc golfers waiting to pay to get in a golf cart and zip around on unnatural, overfertilized fairways. But I do wonder, because a big part of disc golf's allure is the cheapness factor, especially here in The Great Recession. If a carload of people headed down OR-212 can play 18 at Sah-Hah-Lee for $40, or drive 20 minutes further and play 45 at Timber AND McIver for $3, it might be a tough sell.

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

OK, now I think you have truly lost everyone. It's going to be a tough case for you after a qualification like that....

Not everyone is a pro. For an awful lot of newer players, courses like McIver and Bryant are long and frustrating, and those players would have more fun at Vance or Timber. No, I'm not a newbie myself, but someone's got to point out that the newbies do exist, and probably in bigger numbers than the die-hards in this forum who play in tournaments every weekend and actually go on-line to talk about disc golf. I mean, come on, this borders on fanaticism, what we do here. We're 1-percenters.

Again, I'm just expressing my opinion, and you're basically telling me that it's wrong. That's way more messed up than me thinking Timber is more fun than McIver (and note I said "more fun," not "better").

TreeLove · #22 September 14th, 2009, 05:39 PM

Way to go Terry, I 'm glad you talked him OUT of installing a disc golf course. Thanks for that.

TreeLove · #23 September 14th, 2009, 05:43 PM

I had better just stop reading this thread; I am going to pop a blood vessel.

Adam, I am just saying I disagree with your opinion, and trying to cite examples of WHY....

Terry, I am simply speechless. Please do not talk to any more ball golf course owners!

Darr · #24 September 14th, 2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

I had better just stop reading this thread; I am going to pop a blood vessel.

Adam, I am just saying I disagree with your opinion, and trying to cite examples of WHY....

Terry, I am simply speechless. Please do not talk to any more ball golf course owners!

Oakway was the shizz, sorry you never played it Adam....

The recession is no reason to not play a LONG pair of 18's with carts, beers, and buddies, regardless the cost. We've done it before, we'll do it again. Without Adam and his buddies it seems.

JMan · #25 September 14th, 2009, 07:11 PM

Hey I pay to play:
$10 for my St. Park pass - 12 months (buy in bulk my friends)
$60 to Bob for 12 months at Hornings
$70 not bad, but I wouldn't pay 10 or better for one day, and it wouldn't matter how great the course was, or perceived to be.

Adam Schneider · #26 September 14th, 2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

Way to go Terry, I 'm glad you talked him OUT of installing a disc golf course. Thanks for that.

Should he have lied to them?

Ol' Bob · #27 September 14th, 2009, 10:52 PM

I wonder why my question wasn't answered. Hello, do my posts appear here?

zippyboy · #28 September 15th, 2009, 07:23 AM

Wow... this is getting heated...

Gawain, the reputation that Oakway seemed to get was that it was a long, open course. Like Adam, that holds little to no interest to me as a disc golfer. Therefore, in no way was I going to travel down there to pay money to play on a course that did not (on its reputation) appeal to me. Please spare the "but you never actually played it" argument, I am admitting to that. Maybe Oakway was a heavily wooded, not really manicured course with tight fairways, average 275 - 400 ft. holes,and through lots of trees, but that wasn't the impression I was getting from people who played it.

I have also gone on record to say that I don't think Milo deserves all the hype it gets - and I have thrown there (a couple holes with you one day, actually). Lengthy holes just aren't something I look for in a course. Part of the draw of this sport to me is tromping through nature. A ball golf course turned disc golf course doesn't usually fit into the type of course I would most like to throw at. Skyline is an exception to this rule, due to its views of the river from the course, and the great use of elevation changes in the course design.

I don't think Terry did anyone a disservice by being honest regarding pay-to-play. $15 to $20 to play a course is much more money than most disc golfers would be willing to cough up. There are times I've passed on playing Skyline, and they only charge $8 for 18 holes! I think lying to them would have been much worse.

And Bob, I am also curious as to what the big draw of disc golf at Oakway was, too. The only information I ever got about it when it was up and running was that you got to play on a nicely manicured ball golf course (with wide-open fairways, and lengthy holes). Meh.

Good Lord people, go out and throw something!

SMOKIN JOE · #29 September 15th, 2009, 07:25 AM

so should I have lied to my friend and told him go ahead spent 10 grand
you'll get it back no time
hell so many people come play in Mac already don't they
using the money to update a few of the greens I thought would make a much better business decision
but hey If you got an extra ten grand we can go talk to him again
i'm sure if someone else foots the bill he would be more than glad too
also he wasn't planning on disc golf being offered in prime time on the weekend either
didn't think to many ball golfers want to rent a cart either, so make it 25.00 bones on the weekend to boot,
so if you think a Monday through Thursday monrning and Friday , because the course is full Thursday afternoon for league, course will pay for it's self then buck up let's get it done
and oh by the way, that is per nine holes of golf as well, not 18
so come spent 50.00 bones on the weekend to play 18 holes of golf
or 30.00 on a regular day,
no I didn't think that would fly to well with the disc golf public

people always seem to know something about nothing

SMOKIN JOE · #30 September 15th, 2009, 07:39 AM

oh by the way that was his plan too.
my plan for him was to make it 18,27, or 36 holes
make it to were the ball golfers have right of way on the course
charge 10.00 bucks for a day pass and you might just make a profit on it

Scott · #31 September 15th, 2009, 07:48 AM

For those that say they are willing to pay $15.00 or more to play - how often?

Yeah, if the course sounds really great I'd probably go give it a try. But it wouldn't be very often. Why pay $15.00 for a round when I could go play Milo all day for free?

SMOKIN JOE · #32 September 15th, 2009, 08:00 AM

exactly

Sam · #33 September 15th, 2009, 09:06 AM

What I think we are seeing is the emergence of the putt-putt disc golfers. These are clearly golfers who would rather have a clown's mouth and a windmill rather than the granddaddy of all disc golf courses, Milo. Folks who - when faced with the option of going to Orchard or Milo - will opt for Orchard. We need these people, actually, or we would never have a place to practice our upshots from tee pads so there is some benefit derived from those golfers who see 400' and immediately think par 4.

Yes, Adam and Zippy... I am looking right at you.

Adam Schneider · #34 September 15th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Sam, one of my favorite courses is Camp Tadmor. Remind me, which hole there is the one with the clown?

Ol' Bob · #35 September 15th, 2009, 09:37 AM

As long as the only shot that needs to be accurate is the third, long open holes should do fine. No point in having a clown if it's so far out there you can't see him.

Damn, the sun is shining and I'm sittin' here on my putt.

Sam · #36 September 15th, 2009, 09:41 AM

Never been to Camp Tadmor. Kind of why you have never seen me opine on it.

You do play a lot of Rockwood/Vance, though, right? Either course could have a clown-mouth on it.

SMOKIN JOE · #37 September 15th, 2009, 09:51 AM

that would be the first hole
when you hit a tree and it rolls back under your car for the second time
that's when you feel like a clown
or maybe the fifth hole when you've thrown all your plastic in the lake and your out there in one of those boats retrieving them
that's when you look like a clown
or maybe hole 7 when you've thrown 3 times and still can't see the basket
maybe then because your wondering if the hole is really up there somewhere

Adam Schneider · #38 September 15th, 2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SMOKIN JOE

or maybe the fifth hole when you've thrown all your plastic in the lake and your out there in one of those boats retrieving them

Fifth hole, lake? Which course are you talkin' about??

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Originally Posted by Sam

Never been to Camp Tadmor. Kind of why you have never seen me opine on it.

It's similar to Horning's Canyon course, but harder. Like the woods at Hagg Lake, but with real fairways.

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Originally Posted by Sam

You do play a lot of Rockwood/Vance, though, right? Either course could have a clown-mouth on it.

I rarely play Rockwood. I love Vance, but only play there if I'm in Gresham for some other reason. Obviously, it's not a destination course.

Bullseye · #39 September 15th, 2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

What I think we are seeing is the emergence of the putt-putt disc golfers. These are clearly golfers who would rather have a clown's mouth and a windmill rather than the granddaddy of all disc golf courses, Milo. Folks who - when faced with the option of going to Orchard or Milo - will opt for Orchard. We need these people, actually, or we would never have a place to practice our upshots from tee pads so there is some benefit derived from those golfers who see 400' and immediately think par 4.

Yes, Adam and Zippy... I am looking right at you.

I understand that you guys who prefer pitch and putts courses have every right to enjoy the game as you see fit, however many of us want more challenging courses. I loathe birdie or die courses myself, so of course I prefer longer courses... you know... courses where I can actually use a driver. People need to understand that entry level players should NOT be making birdies left and right. Those birdies should be earned by good play, not by making holes easier.

Yes, I agree that Oakway could have been a better course, but it was still a fun course to play. There were even a few holes out there that were not any better just because they were long. I am not arguing for long courses for the sake of being long, but I love courses where you have to plot the landing zone for your first drive to ensure you have hope for that all-important up shot. I don't think any of my hole-in-one's come anywhere close to the satisfaction I felt when I finally pulled off a 4 on Milo's super long hole in the long position. Three well executed drives left me with a 15 foot putt. That is the kind of golf I love. The bummer is, I can't enjoy short courses very much, but those of you who like the short courses can STILL have fun on the big courses.

PS: I'd be happy to pay $10-$15 (a day) to play on a well maintained course where I don't have to worry about whether the stumbledrunk 10-some playing in front of me is going to let me play through.

Scott · #40 September 15th, 2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

PS: I'd be happy to pay $10-$15 (a day) to play on a well maintained course where I don't have to worry about whether the stumbledrunk 10-some playing in front of me is going to let me play through.

How many times a week? And how many of you are there? Those are the questions a course has to ask before setting their prices.