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[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Whether money was collected for the series from this event or not, don't you think removing these results from the totals will only serve to punish the players. Really, its not the fault of the payers that these details were not sufficiently ironed out.

You would think this might have come up in the past 8 years. At least as a discussion point amongst series TD's.

That's been my point the whole time. The players are not getting what they Believed they signed up for. The event was falsely advertised as a series event and it's my contention that ray benefited from the resulting inflated attendance. Not to mention hanging the finals out to dry weeks before they were even played.

[DoubleDees]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

You would think this might have come up in the past 8 years. At least as a discussion point amongst series TD's.

That's been my point the whole time. The players are not getting what they Believed they signed up for. The event was falsely advertised as a series event and it's my contention that ray benefited from the resulting inflated attendance. Not to mention hanging the finals out to dry weeks before they were even played.

Two wrongs dont make a right.

What really needs to happen is a conference of the TD's at the beginning of the season next year prior to any of the series events. How many of us see this happening?

The problem with disc golf and where we all want it to go is money. Until someone comes up with a multi-million dollar sponsorship deal I highly doubt anyone will be making much of anything running events besides the PDGA.

For me going to a tournament and taking 2nd or 3rd in Open Pro doesn't pay for my weekends trip. 62$ entry, 40$ gas, 50$ food, 21$ in ciggerettes, 30$ in alcohol. This adds up to about 200$ for me to travel and play in a tournament. Lets say I take 3rd and get 150$. This means I only lost 50$ on my weekend and lets be honest here, I can throw another 100$ on top of that for miscellaneous supplies used on the weekend. After all of this I still travel and play tournaments and love it!!! I'm sure there's not many people that play to make money and even less that actually do.

[DMAILMAN]

While the TDGPA is aware of the ongoing issues with the WSS, we are working diligently to fulfill our obligations as final stop for the WSS. We are currently seeking solutions to the TD issue. I have read all the threads concerning these issues and would like to address some of the stuff you guys are posting.

It should be noted that our club is open to all dialogue concerning the Autumn Classic at Ft Steilacoom. All board members can be contacted via our website. I havent been contacted by anyone about the Autmn classic or the status thereof. I do see people using this forum to call other people names and also I must take my hat off to "King Jub" for being quite the pot stirrer. If this forum were not here Jub, who would you have to whine and complain to. Why dont you go out in the backyard and take a few putts or something.

Is it really necessary to post a thread telling everybody call or send e-mails to Ray. I especially like the part where you say that its not harrassing if you say things like.....

Ime just saying.. If you all put as much effort into promoting this great sport we call disc golf as you do typing in these forum we could all just sit back and smell some flowers or something for a while.

Cheer up everybody! Look forward to the positive changes that will take place as a result of all this. Let the players keep their points. They earned them.

While I am not participating in the series I am a supporter of disc golf. If you need information from the TDGPA just ask. I always like to talk to my fellow golfers. Most of you know how to get a hold of me.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by DMAILMAN

While the TDGPA is aware of the ongoing issues with the WSS, we are working diligently to fulfill our obligations as final stop for the WSS. We are currently seeking solutions to the TD issue. I have read all the threads concerning these issues and would like to address some of the stuff you guys are posting. It should be noted that our club is open to all dialogue concerning the Autumn Classic at Ft Steilacoom. All board members can be contacted via our website. I haven't been contacted by anyone about the Autumn classic or the status thereof.

I applaud yours and the TDGPA 's diligence to follow through with a commitment that another decided not too.

Originally Posted by DMAILMAN

Is it really necessary to post a thread telling everybody call or send e-mails to Ray. I especially like the part where you say that its not harassing if you say things like.....

Well Gee Rob, how else are players supposed to contact him. His email and phone worked fine before the event so why not after? I find it interesting that If he ( Ray ) knew at ASC in April he was not going to offer SC as series qualifier why did his flyer still pimp his supposed participation. This could have all been avoided if Ray had just paid better attention to his flyer and the commitment it makes.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by DoubleDees

What really needs to happen is a conference of the TD's at the beginning of the season next year prior to any of the series events. How many of us see this happening?

Actually Ed this is a great idea but it needs to be more like Thanksgiving maybe skype?

[Wobbly Bob]

DISC LAIMER:
The opinions stated here are mine and in no way reflect those of anyone in Spokane or the Spokane Disc Golf Association. (How's that Gordy?)

The rumor concerning the Spring Classic is an unfortunate thing to happen to a series.

Rumors are ugly things and they can ruin a great thing whether they are true or not.

It doesn't matter if the series fees were paid by the TD or not, the competitors entered the event believing that those fees would be paid. To not give them their points would be punishing them for something the TD did.

Those that know the truth should tell it on this thread and put the rumor to BED.

[Sam]

Read it and tried to understand it. Now time to offer an opinion.

If the TD made off with the funds, hold the TD responsible and let the players know.

Withholding the series points over this does nothing to the TD and - while maybe an effective way to get the players to put the pressure on the TD to pay up - would ultimately only punish the players and that doesn't really seem fair to me.

Count the points. Do not allow the TD to be a part of the series unless he pays his fees in time for the payouts to go to the players. If he misses this date, however, he should be blackballed from running any more series events.

[LJ Jubner]

Night school attorney finally pays off, eh bob

Originally Posted by Sam

Withholding the series points over this does nothing to the TD and - while maybe an effective way to get the players to put the pressure on the TD to pay up - would ultimately only punish the players and that doesn't really seem fair to me.

I totally agree that the players will be treated unfairly no matter what happens. (I just figured it out what to call this "Bait and Switch".) Unfortunately with this amount of disarray in the WA series final payout there won't be much in the cupboard. Sorry Rahn

Originally Posted by Sam

Count the points. Do not allow the TD to be a part of the series unless he pays his fees in time for the payouts to go to the players. If he misses this date, however, he should be blackballed from running any more series events.

This looks like a two part answer to me
1. Being policy of future series events, protocols and repercussions. I think as an additional response should be each series event will be co-sponsored by the Local club, Then if the TD flakes the club cleans up the mess.

2. Not that he (ray) will ever run another DG event but any/all of his events should be boycotted.

[Sam]

Has he withdrawn completely?

Sounds like a Steve Miller song:

Jubby-Jub is a detective in SeaTac...

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Sam

Has he withdrawn completely?

Sounds like a Steve Miller song:

Jubby-Jub is a detective in SeaTac...

Is "jubby-jub" copyrighted or public domain. Crap missed another boat.

[Tim]

Good discussions going on for the future of the series, I've moved the pertinent posts to the new thread here.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Tim

Good discussions going on for the future of the series, I've moved the pertinent posts to the new thread here.

Thanks Tim. Freaked me out a little bit. I was just about to respond to a post and then all of the sudden it was gone.

[Gordy #21004]

This year was our 9th straight year in the State Series. B-tier every time. Two-day every time. Bought the Jason and Ray Plastic every time. Paid our player fees EVERY time. The last three years we have contributed by far the most fees. Its like the eastside gets taxed to pay the westside bills. Big DeaL. So this year Ray craps out as Series Honcho. So what? Then Ray TDs the Stilly event and no fees get kicked down; Bad Bass. So Tacoma Club, just pretend for a moment that a basket was stolen. What would you do? Yep, you'd fix it pronto. That's what you need to do now, fix it. Get out the Club checkbook or whatever you have and pay Paul the Stilly fees now. Make the Series complete THIS year. Paul, get off your 2x butt and post the fees collected and whats outstanding. Post the points standings. Pick yourself up, man. If you don't, the best you'll achieve moving forward is these complicated propositions everyones making and that paying the fees is either negotiable or worse, optional. Ray had the big part right; Two-day, B-tier, eight stops is actually OK. Inland held ten. I don't hate me too but I do love you. Gordy . Go CITY CUP.

[tomw]

Don't penalize the players for the actions of the TD. I could feel a jubscam coming Moose, you just shifted focus away from yourself. Brilliant!
"1. Being policy of future series events, protocols and repercussions. I think as an additional response should be each series event will be co-sponsored by the Local club, Then if the TD flakes the club cleans up the mess. 2. Not that he (ray) will ever run another DG event but any/all of his events should be boycotted"

Is ever as long as never? Burnout happens, its a proven fact.
Make the WA series right and begin planning next years with some new perspective. The Inland NW series finals/Spokane city cup 8 will be the completion of our 5th year. Thank your tds and especially woobbly-er more than ever Bob, G & J Crafts , and all the clubs/ players who volunteer and particapated.
TW, NIRDGC

[LJ Jubner]

Gordy offered an inyerseting post about this on the Lakewood ace pot thread. Care to answer Edge?

[Gordy #21004]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Gordy offered an inyerseting post about this on the Lakewood ace pot thread. Care to answer Edge?

I was just fishen where there seemed to be some pride and joy in broadcasting what's up. ( I thought this thread was dead.) G.