2009 Oregon Series Points

[all2common]

Originally Posted by Flash

The values of the strokes are calculated based on the max score and min score in each division and where your score falls within that range. The points are not the same at each event for each stroke because it varies greatly on the play of the division. However it is normalized such that the winner will always acheive 100 points and each person below them will be less than 100.

I am working on the update this week but work is getting in the way!

Thanks, Mike. Boo work.

[Flash]

Here are the points updates after the 2009 Eugene Celebration:

2009 Oregon Series Pro Divisions

2009 Oregon Series Adv Divisions

2009 Oregon Series Am Divisions

Time to battle for the finish line, who is going to be the new Oregon Series Champions

[dooley]

flash...could you double check your stats on adv. master...I got first in the fling but you gave rick more points...my 4 best are a 1st a 2ndand 2 3rds.....and thanks for your work on this...ya rock

[dooley]

I guess I read that wrong....but I do not understand if Rick and I tied for 2nd at Hoodoo...we both have a first ,Rick the Calapooia and I the BFS,Rick has a5th at Eugene and an 8th at the BFS,I have 3rd at RCO and Calapooia yet he is ahead of me in points????...I am new to most of this but I thought a 1st,2nd and 2 3rds would score better than a 1st, 2nd,5th and 8th

[snap7times]

Rick's 5th place at Eugene was worth 3 points more than Dooley's 3rd at RCO, that is the biggest impact on the outcome there..

[citizens arrest]

Originally Posted by snap7times

Rick's 5th place at Eugene was worth 3 points more than Dooley's 3rd at RCO, that is the biggest impact on the outcome there..

Ya but why don't I have enough points to be in first place, I've played the best I could at all times and I think it's a plot against me, now if I took first at will. open could I make 1'st in the series pt's, oh please mr. webmaster could u let me know.

[Flash]

Come on guys its based on how you play not on how you finish! Go back and look at the scores in those tournaments and you will have your answers. Place means nothing if you are 10 strokes back from the guy in front of you. The points are based more on consistent play within your division and that is why Rick is leading this thing. Look at his scores vs yours and in events where you did not play against each other look at where you finished by number of strokes not the place of finish.

[dooley]

Originally Posted by Flash

Come on guys its based on how you play not on how you finish! Go back and look at the scores in those tournaments and you will have your answers. Place means nothing if you are 10 strokes back from the guy in front of you. The points are based more on consistent play within your division and that is why Rick is leading this thing. Look at his scores vs yours and in events where you did not play against each other look at where you finished by number of strokes not the place of finish.

if you did not play well....you would not finish well....I am sure this is some of that new math I have run into as of lateAs far as scores vs scores and in events where we did not play against each other and finishing by number of strokes etc.that totally explains 1ST 2ND 5th and 8TH beating 1ST 2ND 3RD and 3RD...I guess what your saying is the players in the tourneys I finished 3rd in were not as good in general as the players in the tourneys rick finished 5TH and 8TH in.....sorry...I will abide by your numbers as you are the one keepin track....but I guess I am to old and stupid to wrap what is left of my brain cells around the fact I can win the BFS (A tier) (rick 8th) tie for 2nd with rick at Hoodoo,take 3rd at RCO..no rick..take 3RD at Calapooia (rick 1ST) take 7TH to ricks 5TH at Eugene and he is ahead of me because margin of victory

[Flash]

Originally Posted by dooley

if you did not play well....you would not finish well....I am sure this is some of that new math I have run into as of lateAs far as scores vs scores and in events where we did not play against each other and finishing by number of strokes etc.that totally explains 1ST 2ND 5th and 8TH beating 1ST 2ND 3RD and 3RD...I guess what your saying is the players in the tourneys I finished 3rd in were not as good in general as the players in the tourneys rick finished 5TH and 8TH in.....sorry...I will abide by your numbers as you are the one keepin track....but I guess I am to old and stupid to wrap what is left of my brain cells around the fact I can win the BFS (A tier) (rick 8th) tie for 2nd with rick at Hoodoo,take 3rd at RCO..no rick..take 3RD at Calapooia (rick 1ST) take 7TH to ricks 5TH at Eugene and he is ahead of me because margin of victory

Tom why are you getting upset about this. Look no one is saying that you did not play good golf this year, heck you won the BSF but you are not listening to what I am trying to explain to you. I am not trying to demonstrate some level of mathematical skills or anything like that. All I am saying is the points are based on how you played against your division. Yes you won the BSF but only by 1 stroke right so second place got 99.48 points behind your 100 points and look at third they finished 3 strokes back and received 98.46 points, so although you won, your competition kept it really close. Now look at the RCO, you finished in 3rd place 9 strokes behind first and that is why you only received 94.79 points but second place finished 2 strokes back and received 98.78 and that is because first and second place played significantly better than the rest of the field. Now at the Calapooia Rick finished in 1st and received 100 points and distanced himself from second place by 11 strokes and so second place only got 95.34 and you finished in third 12 strokes back and therefore only got 94.94 points. At the Eugene Celebration you finished 11 strokes back from the leader and Rick finished 5 strokes back from the leader and the overall finish for the top 5 was pretty tight score wise so therefore Rick's fifth place finish was better than your third place finish at the RCO or Calapooia.

Now do you see how your finish in overall strokes against your division at an event effects your points for that event.

Tom if you want to talk about this sometime I would be happy to go over it with you and listen to why you hate the new points system. But I used the new system to reward consistent play across 4 best events and that is what it is this year. I am open to what people think about the system and if they want to go back to the old system next year!

[RonTheWhip]

Tom if you want to talk about this sometime I would be happy to go over it with you and listen to why you hate the new points system. But I used the new system to reward consistent play across 4 best events and that is what it is this year. I am open to what people think about the system and if they want to go back to the old system next year!

I love it Mike! Can't wait to see how it shakes out after the WO!

Thanks for all you do

Dion

[Reichard]

[SMOKIN JOE]

still seems a bit out of whack to me
why not just get points for what your average rating was
seems a lot easier and more understanding to all
even though you don't compete against everybody
every body's round is rated the same way
that's not the case this way
to me 9th place is 9th place regardless of my score
so theoretically you could win 3 events by 1 stoke, then place 2nd by 20 strokes, the other guy places 2nd all four times losing by 1 stroke
so the guy with 4 second place finishes beats out the guy with 3 wins and a 3rd,
doesn't seem right to me
a victory is a victory, you can't control how many people show up or how well they play,
points should be based on you not other people
I personally like nascars point system, 1st is so much and as you go down the line points between positions gets closer
don't matter if you lap the field or win by a nose
and in reviewing the system, Tom got 94.79 for 3rd in the RCO 9 strokes back yet got 95.34 for the same third 12 strokes back, that doesn't make since, got more points for further behind, that's where the rest of the group comes in, must not have done as well
seems a bit messed up,
shouldn't where you place be more important than how you placed
I feel Tom's pain

[all2common]

It makes "since" that you like Nascar's system.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by SMOKIN JOE

a victory is a victory, you can't control how many people show up or how well they play,
points should be based on you not other people

But you can control how badly you beat them. That's what this system rewards; how badly you dominated your field.

[dooley]

sorry if I seem more upset than I should be...I understand you wanting a system that awards consistent play and while my placings have been by less strokes than ricks ,1st 2nd & 2 3rds sounds more consistent than 1st the same 2nd 5th & 8th....even more so when I add up our total strokes for our 4 finishes and find I am still 4 strokes better...also if our 1sts and 2nds are a wash and his 5th is better than my 3rd by 3 points then that makes his 8th as good as my other 3rd I know your system comes out that way and would have to say no I do not like itI have cashed in every event in the series and have the 4 highest finishes and while I know its the sum of your best 4...it just seems wrong....I am bummed but it is what it is... you know what this means whistling rick...that sandybagger man will be trying to take us both down with a well timed 3rd place...IT IS ON!...see ya this weekend

[SMOKIN JOE]

so winning means nothing, why do we make trophies to third place then'
sounds like Tom should give his third place trophy to Rick for his fine fifth place effort, he got more points than Tom,
and it ain't how you dominate your field,
it's how the field played,
that's why you get more points being 12 strokes back than you did 9 strokes back for the same place
so your points are decided by how the back markers play
are you not already being judged in your own group
if you dominate your field and your not a pro than you probably shouldn't be in the field anyway, move up
so basicly the tougher the course , the better you do, is what is judged
so how is your round rating any different, actually better, it's a better average of the field than the points are now

[Flash]

Originally Posted by SMOKIN JOE

...
and in reviewing the system, Tom got 94.79 for 3rd in the RCO 9 strokes back yet got 95.34 for the same third 12 strokes back, that doesn't make since, got more points for further behind, that's where the rest of the group comes in, must not have done as well
seems a bit messed up,
shouldn't where you place be more important than how you placed
I feel Tom's pain

Terry what are you trying to say? Have you ever heard of complete sentences? You have more run on thoughts then people want to weed through. Please focus your thoughts better when you type and slow down it seems like you have some good things to add to the discussion but I am having trouble picking them out. Sam help me out here!

The 95.34 was awarded to Jeff Elliot at the Calapooia and yes he finished in second place and he was 11 strokes back from first. The value of one stroke will depend on the courses obviously due to the players just like with the round ratings of players. On certain courses 1 stroke might be worth 10 ratings points but another course 1 stroke may be 7 rating points. The current point system does reward closer to ratings without having to award points across the whole event. It only looks at your play(sort of round ratings if you want to look at it that way) against your division and awards points based on the winner achieving 100 points.

The problem I have with a top down awarding of points is based on field size. If at one event you are in a division of three people you will always get 98 points even if you finish 100 strokes back. Then in another week at a larger event a player shoots 2 strokes back from first place and also gets 98 points but who played a better tournament in their field.

To me people should not be rewarded based on theyfinish but on how they play in the event against the field at the event. Since there is no awards this year for the Oregon Series it does not matter other than bragging rights. Perhaps I can start a poll and see what method should prevail for next year.

[Flash]

Originally Posted by SMOKIN JOE

so winning means nothing, why do we make trophies to third place then'
sounds like Tom should give his third place trophy to Rick for his fine fifth place effort, he got more points than Tom,
and it ain't how you dominate your field,
it's how the field played

Trophies for Place in the event have nothing to do with trophies in the series. I hope you can see that the events are a single entity that is finalized at the event awards ceremony, while the series is a culmination of the entire series of events. Trophies in events are awarded based on place as well as play(how many strokes you throw) because it does not matter how you finished in third place the guy behind you still did not shoot better then you did. Is this making sense to anyone else on this forum?

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Flash

Trophies for Place in the event have nothing to do with trophies in the series. I hope you can see that the events are a single entity that is finalized at the event awards ceremony, while the series is a culmination of the entire series of events. Trophies in events are awarded based on place as well as play(how many strokes you throw) because it does not matter how you finished in third place the guy behind you still did not shoot better then you did. Is this making sense to anyone else on this forum?

It makes sense to me, thanks for VOLUNTARILY stepping up to OFFER SOMETHING TO THE COMMUNITY with no reward, Mike! It's pretty funny that panties are this bunched over your efforts as THERE ARE NO TROPHIES OR PAYOUT.

Perhaps the people with the problem should just calculate the series points in the method they prefer and show us their results. Then we can complain about the way that they did it. Since there IS NO SERIES this year, no trophies, and nothing to win, what does it matter how Flash decided to compile these standings? You don't like it? Do your own.

[snap7times]

heh... yeah! What he said...