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Old July 6th, 2009, 05:52 PM
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Is there still a strong push from the touring pros (MPO & MPM) to increase their payout percentages at the expense of other divisions?
That might be a good question for Dave. I know that the NT committee is looking at some changes to propose to the BoD, but we have not seen their proposal yet.

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Old July 8th, 2009, 07:16 AM
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Is there still a strong push from the touring pros (MPO & MPM) to increase their payout percentages at the expense of other divisions?
I am not sure how this can be accomplished Maybe they (Open ) should just pay a higher entry fee. It seems to me They (Open) get all of the added cash anyway so....
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Old July 8th, 2009, 11:36 AM
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I am not sure how this can be accomplished Maybe they (Open ) should just pay a higher entry fee. It seems to me They (Open) get all of the added cash anyway so....
How the added cash is distributed is up to the TD's unless it is an NT event!
At the NT events the added cash must be a minimum of 3 to 1 for all Open divisions vs age protected divisions.
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Again the TD can change this number to be anything greater than 3 to 1. Also the TD sets the entry fee for theses events but has guidelines provided by the PDGA for a good pay structure. The pay structure encourages a higher entry for the Open Divisions.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 01:44 PM
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Is there still a strong push from the touring pros (MPO & MPM) to increase their payout percentages at the expense of other divisions?
The correct answer coming from any truthful pro player is, "Of course we want to increase the money we get." I will tell you that this would be my answer also. I would also like to get more from the PDGA for the fact that I PAY more to the PDGA.

Todd, that is one that I have never figured out and have never heard a good answer on. Why do pro level players pay so much more for their PDGA membership than the Amateur level players do? I have never seen any additional perks for the pros, or did I just miss the executive lounge at all the A-Tiers and above for pro players only?

Oh yeah, stirring the pot......

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Old July 10th, 2009, 05:34 PM
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The correct answer coming from any truthful pro player is, "Of course we want to increase the money we get." I will tell you that this would be my answer also. I would also like to get more from the PDGA for the fact that I PAY more to the PDGA.

Todd, that is one that I have never figured out and have never heard a good answer on. Why do pro level players pay so much more for their PDGA membership than the Amateur level players do? I have never seen any additional perks for the pros, or did I just miss the executive lounge at all the A-Tiers and above for pro players only?

Oh yeah, stirring the pot......

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Scott,

Two words: National Tour!

Cris and I have been working on putting together an accounting of the benefits received by either camp. There is definitely more money spent by the PDGA that directly benefits the pro divisions. Although, some may couch those things by saying that it eventually benefits disc golf in general. It all comes down to your personal perspective. If you really want to press this you may not like the outcome, but who knows?

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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:33 PM
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Silver spoons cost money! and what a buffet, Ice carvings , Both Champagne AND Chocolate Fountains. The Michelin 5 Star treatment.

Maybe it's the Granders club, 1000+ or higher, so I will never see it.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:53 PM
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The PDGA spends $15,000 to $20,000 on the Pro side of Worlds with cash, time and travel expenses for the staff that helps run and marshal the events. That's in addition to the National Tour. Until recently, the Pro Worlds video/DVD did not recoup the $25,000-$30,000 invested in production. I remember Peter Shive being surprised when he looked into how the $25 differential between pros and ams times 2500 pros was being spent and agreed the pros got services equal and more to their added contributions depending on how the DVD did.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 10:27 PM
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So Scott It kind a feels ponzi-ish. You invest your money, we will leverage it and whether it works or not, either way the Pdga gets paid. The good news is When (not if) any or all worlds is held in Georgia, at least some of the overhead will go down cause it will be a home game.
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Old July 11th, 2009, 08:14 AM
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The PDGA spends $15,000 to $20,000 on the Pro side of Worlds with cash, time and travel expenses for the staff that helps run and marshal the events. That's in addition to the National Tour. Until recently, the Pro Worlds video/DVD did not recoup the $25,000-$30,000 invested in production. I remember Peter Shive being surprised when he looked into how the $25 differential between pros and ams times 2500 pros was being spent and agreed the pros got services equal and more to their added contributions depending on how the DVD did.
Okay, so what I am getting out of this is that the pro's are paying for the services of the staff to run pro worlds. I'm good with that as I enjoy my World's experience as one that is professional and well run. Does the PDGA not also help with the AM Worlds or is that onus strictly upon the hosting club. While I have volunteered a week of my time to help in an Am Worlds (Grand Rapids, 1997) I was not a major player in it so I do not know how much the PDGA is involved.

As for the production of the DVD, I did not know that the PRO money was earmarked for that. I wonder if the pros were solicited for their opinion on that what their answer would be. I also wonder if we were to look at the purchasers of said video, how many of them would be those pros. I am guessing that not very many pros purchase that video.

Bottom line, it sounds like we are (A) paying for the running of Worlds, (B) putting more money in the pot for Worlds and (C) paying for the initial cost of producing the Worlds video. For me, (A) is totally acceptable if the Ams have the same deal, (B) is averagely acceptable as we keep on just putting more of our own money in the pot to play for and (C) is questionable based on output and quality. If every pro player in the Worlds comp got a copy for their memory of event, then I would totally buy off on that (hey, it could be another piece of a players pack that would actually have relevance to what the player has partaken in).

ah, meandering thoughts on a Saturday morning when I really should be writing the next instructional column.....gotta go!

Later,
Scott Papa

P.S. Damn, I forgot (D) Supporting the National Tour. This I am not crazy about. If I want to sponsor an event, then let me make that my own personal decision. I don't like sponsoring events that I don't get to choose. As it is, I have basically personally STOPPED sponsoring all events because the answer to getting more money in disc golf is not taking more money from other disc golfers. You want the spotlight on your club and course with a National Tour event, then raise money from local or national sponsors (ala Keen) to reach that end. Don't just take money from your own constituency. That sounds way too much like taxation......
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Old July 11th, 2009, 08:52 AM
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Todd and Chris have a better handle on the National Tour funding. It's my understanding that marketing, promotion and a National Tour were the desire of pro members from surveys of pros 5-7 years ago. That's why there's a marketing director, marshals, PDGA staff help and funding toward those goals to boost the profile of the sport and potentially the pockets of the touring pros. Whether that money has been well spent and should continue is for the Board to decide with ongoing feedback from all pros, not just the best.

With regard to Worlds, the PDGA supports the Ams at pretty much the same level per member as Pro Worlds. But that event gets completely funded from the entry fees and sponsorship so some years the PDGA makes a little money on that event after expenses simply due to the retail/wholesale differential and shared profits from higher sales (per person) of Worlds merch to ams. So the ams who attend and support it thru purchases actually fund the Am Worlds each year to at least breakeven or better. Pro Worlds comes close to breakeven once you include the $15-20K support from the PDGA or it would either lose that much or just pay out only 100% versus at least 125% each year like it has for several years.

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Old July 12th, 2009, 04:25 PM
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Where can one see minutes from past BoD meetings? IMO, this is the best way to get an authentic feel for incumbent candidates.
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Old July 12th, 2009, 05:04 PM
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http://www.pdga.com/organizational-documents

Then click on the link under PDGA Board of Directors called PDGA Board Minutes and Motions
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