PDGA Elections

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

I find all the Dave bashing interesting. Back in 2001 when Dave first moved to the NW. Most of the ones posting here were "over the moon" with a world class player as the State rep. And you have to admit when both he and Avery moved WEST to Oregun they put us on the DG Map. One thing Dave does bring to the table is connections. Todd has Conan offered you a guest slot? Another thing Dave brings to the table is marketability something we desperately need. Climo is a great champ but those ears will never fly.

Sponsors are not paying attention to the marketability of the PDGA BoD. Marketability as a player, yes. That's got nothing to do with being on the BoD. If someone underperformed in one position, it's clearly not "bashing" to point that out when they apply for a position with more responsibility.

Gee, I wonder if we could find any examples of personal grudges resulting in "bashing" in the NW disc golf scene internet universe? I'm sure there's no connection here.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

Sponsors are not paying attention to the marketability of the PDGA BoD. Marketability as a player, yes. That's got nothing to do with being on the BoD. If someone underperformed in one position, it's clearly not "bashing" to point that out when they apply for a position with more responsibility.

Sponsors look at everything and everybody. All of the time

Originally Posted by Matt B.

Gee, I wonder if we could find any examples of personal grudges resulting in "bashing" in the NW disc golf scene internet universe? I'm sure there's no connection here.

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If I really wanted to bash someone it would be about committing to run a series then backing out at the last minute because WE/I are burnt out. It seems to me that if someone says they are burnt out in one area dose it not stand to reason that they might be burnt out on the whole thing? If not how soon will it be before they burn out?

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

I find all the Dave bashing interesting. Back in 2001 when Dave first moved to the NW. Most of the ones posting here were "over the moon" with a world class player as the State rep. And you have to admit when both he and Avery moved WEST to Oregun they put us on the DG Map. One thing Dave does bring to the table is connections. Todd has Conan offered you a guest slot? Another thing Dave brings to the table is marketability something we desperately need. Climo is a great champ but those ears will never fly.

Wipe off your chin, Jub.
Theres something white & globby hanging from it..............

[LJ Jubner]

Now Mags Thats not very nice!!!!

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Sponsors look at everything and everybody. All of the time

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If I really wanted to bash someone it would be about committing to run a series then backing out at the last minute because WE/I are burnt out. It seems to me that if someone says they are burnt out in one area dose it not stand to reason that they might be burnt out on the whole thing? If not how soon will it be before they burn out?

JubJub,

If this is in reference to the OR series, I have to wonder if you ever bother to THINK about the crap you're writing beforehand? Yeah, they certainly have some kind of nerve... allowing something trivial... you know.... like a divorce... to get in the way of all of the tournaments they were helping organize for people in the NW.

[TYVEK]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

JubJub,

If this is in reference to the OR series, I have to wonder if you ever bother to THINK about the crap you're writing beforehand? Yeah, they certainly have some kind of nerve... allowing something trivial... you know.... like a divorce... to get in the way of all of the tournaments they were helping organize for people in the NW.

Actually Jub is talking about the washington state series. the night before walla walla, the series organizer said he was done and not doing the series this year. a handfull of people in different parts of washington grouped together to make the Washington State Series happen this year. yeah it sucks for both of our states to have State Series on the brink of collapse, but people came together to make them happen.

[Scott]

I'm having a little bit of a problem following Jub's line of thought that links the problems of either of these series to the current candidates for the PDGA BOD.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by TYVEK

Actually Jub is talking about the washington state series. the night before walla walla, the series organizer said he was done and not doing the series this year. a handfull of people in different parts of washington grouped together to make the Washington State Series happen this year. yeah it sucks for both of our states to have State Series on the brink of collapse, but people came together to make them happen.

Actually, I am pretty damned sure Jub WAS talking about the OR series. I've heard this exact same BS spiel before in another thread he infected.

[essjay]

Originally Posted by Scott

I'm having a little bit of a problem following Jub's line of thought that links the problems of either of these series to the current candidates for the PDGA BOD.

Maybe that's the problem...

[Tim]

Actually, I can see where Jub is coming from (I think). His comments could be pointed towards both series, as they both hit some rough ground this year. As to correlation between the series and BOD, wasn't Todd part of the ORS staff? I don't think its an out of line concern, that if someone got burnt out on managing the series that they could get burnt out on PDGA BOD stuff.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by essjay

Maybe that's the problem...

Yeah, I thought that as I was typing. Follow his line of thought? Hell, I'm usually happy to even detect it!

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by TYVEK

Actually Jub is talking about the Washington state series.

Actually, I was talking about Ore. But your conclusion is correct. In both states people have stepped up to try and make it happen again (for the benefit of all of us). Thanks Mags, Paul Wright, Andrew and all the TD's for your continued support and efforts.

Jeff, I am sorry Todd got divorced. Wait, it was the Bells who got divorced. So I am really not sure why Todd decided to bow out at the same time? I do feel confident he will express his motivation to us.

Scott, It provides insight to his level of commitment.

Anyway, Dave is not perfect, far from it but I was addressing Dave's postives and NOT others negatives. Besides it not like they are running against each other? Right?

[Scott]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Anyway, Dave is not perfect, far from it but I was addressing Dave's postives and NOT others negatives.

Isn't it Dave's job to address his positives? That was my only complaint (I didn't mean for it to come across as bashing) - that Dave's short candidate statment only said that he wanted the job but didn't really address why he would be a good candidate.

The other four candidates listed very tangible examples of changes they would like to institute.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Scott

Isn't it Dave's job to address his positives? That was my only complaint (I didn't mean for it to come across as bashing) - that Dave's short candidate statment only said that he wanted the job but didn't really address why he would be a good candidate.

And you should ask him why he wants the position. Maybe there needs to be a way to submit Q's to candates. Special thread on the national forum

Originally Posted by Scott

.The other four candidates listed very tangible examples of changes they would like to institute.

Double edge sword. Good to have answers but might be bad to have too defined of an agenda. I know it sounds weird but to be to focused on to few ideas/problems is not what we need right now. We need a broader vision.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Double edge sword. Good to have answers but might be bad to have too defined of an agenda. I know it sounds weird but to be to focused on to few ideas/problems is not what we need right now. We need a broader vision.

Sorry, a little to broad for this voter. Dave's statement left me with this thought: If he's only going to devote about five minutes to his statement, how much time and energy is he going to devote to the position?

[ChUcK]

Originally Posted by Scott

Isn't it Dave's job to address his positives?

If it's only the job of the candidates to talk about their own positives and negatives, then what the hell are we doing here discussing candidates? Are you saying that people aren't allowed to freely discuss their views of the candidates?

The majority of the people on this forum want Todd, not Dave. That doesn't give you the right to tell Dave supporters to shut up.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

If it's only the job of the candidates to talk about their own positives and negatives, then what the hell are we doing here discussing candidates? Are you saying that people aren't allowed to freely discuss their views of the candidates?

The majority of the people on this forum want Todd, not Dave. That doesn't give you the right to tell Dave supporters to shut up.

Hold up - I didn't mean it that way at all. Not one tiny bit.
Discussion is great. Dave's supporters are 100% entitled to say anything they please.

My point was that we should be hearing this from Dave, as well. That's all.

[Todd Andrews]

Hello All,

Quite a lively discussion we are having here. Woo Hoo!!!

@Jub
After years of running tournaments, helping out with the ORS, being involved on a national level (BoD, Disciplinary Committee, IT Committee), working full time, remodeling my house and just living life, yes, I did get a little burned out. Something indeed had to give and since the Bellingers decided to step away from running the series, it seemed like a good time for me to do so as well. So sorry to disappoint you Jub. The reasoning behind my decision was that we had built up the Series to a point where it was sustainable enough so that it could carry on without us. So far, this seems to be the case. By dripping the Series workload I can now focus a lot more attention on improving things on a national level. If I was burned out on working to improve the PDGA I would not be running again.

@all,
I laid out a bunch of my priorities in my candidate statement, but there are a lot more things working in the background as well. Please notice that the other incumbants have different agenda items that they are working on and they all have merit. This variety of perspectives is truly a good thing for disc golf.

This past year has been very productive and some of the initiatives that we have been working on will be announced shortly. I appreciate everyones support, but please vote for all of the incumbants so that we can carry on with what we are doing.

Thanks again,

Todd

[Jim J]

Originally Posted by Todd Andrews

I appreciate everyones support, but please vote for all of the incumbants so that we can carry on with what we are doing.

Good idea.

I really like the improvements that the PDGA has made with respect to information provided on the website, searchable player databases and forming partnerships with corporations to take advantage of the buying power of PDGA members. Lots of other reasons too.

I'm happy to vote for Todd and the rest of the incumbents. They seem to be making a positive difference. This goes for our state coordinator as well.

[ChUcK]

I misunderstood what Scott meant. I thought he was telling Jub to keep quiet. Posting before coffee, I guess. He's right- Feldberg did zero to convince people that he had anything to bring to the table except a world championship.

I suppose it's possible that Feldberg would be a productive member of the BoD. I'd rather see him keep practicing and giving the other touring pros some healthy fear, pushing them to even greater feats of disc golf awesomeness. Besides, it's more appropriate for someone in the autumn of their career to start thinking about politics.

Climo/Schultz 2012...I'd vote for them. Maybe they'd rechannel some Defense funding towards city parks...like a measley billion. That'd be sweet.