2nd Annual North Bonneville Tournament - 7/12/09 - Page 2 - Washington Events

Sam · #21 June 15th, 2009, 03:49 PM

I don't want it to be thought that I am poo-pooing this tourney. I think it could be run better and be educational for newer players considering a few changes:

A, I think that it would be better for newer players if actual divisions were being used rather than the pretty good-really good model. Education could start right there.

B, I think that it would be more beneficial for newer players to come out and watch the RCO than it would be to participate in this tourney. I would propose a change in weekends - even if it doesn't fall on a special date.

My opinion. And honestly, I don't care if no one agrees or likes it. Welcome to America!

Scotty B · #22 June 15th, 2009, 03:59 PM

Sam I believe that true divisions would be more beneficial also but this being part of the Gorge days it is way casual hence the small entry and the 2 divisions lets all be friends till the end.

Sam · #23 June 15th, 2009, 04:03 PM

Oh... we carry around and throw the same stuff... so we're friends.

I really was trying to be constructive. That said, your divisions were the subject of ridicule last year and that was the major thing I heard about the tournament. Not that that should convince you to change it but you might consider "Pro" "Advanced" and "Amateur". While not official PDGA divisions, it is at least closer and is a model used by many local tournaments.

Whatever you guys decide, have fun and I am sure you will run a great event.

Adam Schneider · #24 June 15th, 2009, 04:10 PM

With a lot of things, you can count on an "80/20 rule": 80% of the business comes from 20% of the customers. In disc golf, I suspect that 80% of the rounds are played by 20% of the players -- the same ones who enter tournaments.

So if you're putting on a tournament (or building a course), the question is, do you cater to the players responsible for the greatest number of rounds played (the elite 20%), or to the numerical majority of players? Obviously, it depends on your goal. If it's to create a pro-level course or tourney experience, you go for the elite; if it's to get more families involved and add to the fun at your local festival, you go for the other 80%. On July 12, we're seeing some of each.

And Sam, if you don't want people to think you're poo-pooing this tournament, don't say things like "Maybe hold a REAL tournament."

Discmonster25455 · #25 June 15th, 2009, 04:12 PM

I had a great time at this event last year and recommend it to anyone wanting to have a good tournament experience. The event went smoothly, the course was great fun and the Walking Man celebration at the end was phenom!!

Sorry I will be at the RCO this year but if it works out I'll be at the 3rd Annual NBT!

Sam · #26 June 15th, 2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

And Sam, if you don't want people to think you're poo-pooing this tournament, don't say things like "Maybe hold a REAL tournament."

Yeah... I could have chosen my words more carefully. Having run the RCO in the past, however, I guess I got a little defensive with the "more fun" comment. All good.

Scotty B · #27 June 15th, 2009, 04:42 PM

Sam you need to take things a little less personal and I have no idea what you throw oh wait I do I saw you throw a nice roller on hole 5 at leverich on Saturday and if you don't know who you are talking to how do you know that we couldn't be friends me personaly would like to meet you and play a round who knows we might even learn something from one another. I noticed you will be at the bad monkey open maybe we could shakes hands there if you have the time

Sam · #28 June 15th, 2009, 04:44 PM

Dude (avatar)... I was really being serious. We could totally be friends. By all means... since you know who I am and I don't know who you are, come up and tell me who you are and I assure you that we will shake hands and it will be the start of a friendship. No kidding.

By the way... that was a Roc on 5 that I rolled.

all2common · #29 June 15th, 2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Yeah... I could have chosen my words more carefully.

Ditto.

Sausage Fingers · #30 June 15th, 2009, 05:43 PM

As the current Trojan TD of the RCO, I say more power to ya! Good for NorthBonnie, I've been wanting to check that course out for a while now. Good for Wortman, we have plenty of players in the area that we can fill up lots of tournaments. We can all get along.

This forum rocks!

Wog · #31 June 15th, 2009, 06:54 PM

And on a relate note: the Bad Monkey Open is on the same weekend as the Emerald Valley Open. Two PDGA sanctioned events both hoping to have over 90 players (I'm guessing at the number for the EVO). There is plenty of room and golfers to have multiple work parties, multiple leagues and multiple tournaments on a weekend in this VERY strong disc golf community!

gorgedon · #32 June 17th, 2009, 01:01 PM

Kind of amazed to see such a spirited & wide-ranging discussion springing from our tournament posting. Gotta love forums, eh? I would like to respond to a couple comments in particular.

Sam, my "more fun" comment wasn't meant to be mean spirited, sorry I didn't do a better job of getting that across. Our goal is for everyone to have a good time & get a chance to experience our course. 6 people will walk off with some pretty sweet awards but we hope everyone walks off with a smile.

Our tourney is currently being held in conjuction with the city's Gorge Days celebration which does dictate the date. We are considering holding other events in the future & will make every effort to avoid conflicts with other local events.

We decided to split our entrants into the (apparently) infamous Pretty Good & Really Good categories last year specifically because we are not a pro-level tourney. We asked everyone to classify themselves according to their abilities & warned them that if they won the Pretty Good division with a 6 under par we might call that into question. We ended up with 34 contestants & a mulitple hole playoff to decide the final standings.

Our event is really a celebration of the sport & an effort to introduce our course to more disc golfers more than anything else. We are lucky to live in a beautiful area & have a lot of support from our city & we want to share our good fortune with others.

For those who are playing in the RCO, good luck. For anyone who has that Sunday open, come on out.

Peace to all.

Scott · #33 June 17th, 2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gorgedon

Kind of amazed to see such a spirited & wide-ranging discussion springing from our tournament posting. Gotta love forums, eh? I would like to respond to a couple comments in particular.

Sam, my "more fun" comment wasn't meant to be mean spirited, sorry I didn't do a better job of getting that across. Our goal is for everyone to have a good time & get a chance to experience our course. 6 people will walk off with some pretty sweet awards but we hope everyone walks off with a smile.

Our tourney is currently being held in conjuction with the city's Gorge Days celebration which does dictate the date. We are considering holding other events in the future & will make every effort to avoid conflicts with other local events.

We decided to split our entrants into the (apparently) infamous Pretty Good & Really Good categories last year specifically because we are not a pro-level tourney. We asked everyone to classify themselves according to their abilities & warned them that if they won the Pretty Good division with a 6 under par we might call that into question. We ended up with 34 contestants & a mulitple hole playoff to decide the final standings.

Our event is really a celebration of the sport & an effort to introduce our course to more disc golfers more than anything else. We are lucky to live in a beautiful area & have a lot of support from our city & we want to share our good fortune with others.

For those who are playing in the RCO, good luck. For anyone who has that Sunday open, come on out.

Peace to all.

Dude, you've got a lot to learn about bickering on the Internet.

Just kidding of course. Nicely done.

Bullseye · #34 June 17th, 2009, 02:14 PM

Gorgedon,

Don't take it personally... you got Sam-rolled. Its nothing new around these parts. In fact, most of us are pretty well tempered against it by now.

As the "official" TD of the Rose City Open I can assure you I never for a moment felt like your event was stepping on our toes. I don't see how it could considering its been pretty much full for weeks.

Anyway, have a great event out there. One of these days I'm going to have to make the drive out there to play your course.

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Originally Posted by gorgedon

Kind of amazed to see such a spirited & wide-ranging discussion springing from our tournament posting. Gotta love forums, eh? I would like to respond to a couple comments in particular.

Sam, my "more fun" comment wasn't meant to be mean spirited, sorry I didn't do a better job of getting that across. Our goal is for everyone to have a good time & get a chance to experience our course. 6 people will walk off with some pretty sweet awards but we hope everyone walks off with a smile.

Our tourney is currently being held in conjuction with the city's Gorge Days celebration which does dictate the date. We are considering holding other events in the future & will make every effort to avoid conflicts with other local events.

We decided to split our entrants into the (apparently) infamous Pretty Good & Really Good categories last year specifically because we are not a pro-level tourney. We asked everyone to classify themselves according to their abilities & warned them that if they won the Pretty Good division with a 6 under par we might call that into question. We ended up with 34 contestants & a mulitple hole playoff to decide the final standings.

Our event is really a celebration of the sport & an effort to introduce our course to more disc golfers more than anything else. We are lucky to live in a beautiful area & have a lot of support from our city & we want to share our good fortune with others.

For those who are playing in the RCO, good luck. For anyone who has that Sunday open, come on out.

Peace to all.

Vector_2008 · #35 June 17th, 2009, 02:49 PM

gorgedon,

How many rounds are being played?
What time do you expect it to be over?

gorgedon · #36 June 17th, 2009, 03:08 PM

One round, shotgun start at 11am, should be done playing a couple hours after that & then the awards, KP & other contests, & the barbeque/beer garden (not necessarily in that order).

There are definitely worse ways to spend a Sunday.

Sam · #37 June 17th, 2009, 03:21 PM

Sam-rolled.

Seriously... it's all good. I had my concerns and I aired them. TD doing what they're gonna do anyway so it is a closed issue.

Here... let me say something nice about the event:
I like beer gardens.

Pizzel · #38 June 17th, 2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Sam-rolled.

Seriously... it's all good. I had my concerns and I aired them. TD doing what they're gonna do anyway so it is a closed issue.

If it was closed you could have just let it go......instead you had to throw in one last shot. Add that to the definition of 'Sam-rolled'.

Sam · #39 June 17th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Um... OK. Not sure what shot I took but sure... OK.

gorgedon · #40 July 9th, 2009, 11:14 AM

We will officially have a Walking Man Brewery beer garden with at least 2 & maybe 3 varieties of their incredible brews. We will also have a barbeque with burgers & dogs after the event while we get the awards together. Hope to see you here.