Discmosis

[Sam]

Thank you! My goal recently has been to eliminate the stupid decisions that lead to bogeys. I did a good job of that yesterday and the result was a great round.

Oh... and it didn't hurt that I was playing with better players, too. That ALWAYS helps my game. *hint-hint*

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Originally Posted by Sam

Thank you! My goal recently has been to eliminate the stupid decisions that lead to bogeys. I did a good job of that yesterday and the result was a great round.
Oh... and it didn't hurt that I was playing with better players, too. That ALWAYS helps my game. *hint-hint*

I had a great round out there yesterday as well. For me though, I'm trying to eliminate those double and triple bogeys that have haunted me for so long. I was successful yesterday throwing 6 pars, 12 bogeys, and NO double/triple bogeys. Now to chip away at those bogeys and maybe get a bird or two.

Bob

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by "Over the Hill" Bob

I had a great round out there yesterday as well. For me though, I'm trying to eliminate those double and triple bogeys that have haunted me for so long. I was successful yesterday throwing 6 pars, 12 bogeys, and NO double/triple bogeys. Now to chip away at those bogeys and maybe get a bird or two.

Bob

Well according to Sam and Haggerty if you could just play your rounds with Climo then you could move straight to making birdies...

[Bullseye]

Are you still trying to argue that playing with people who could potentially teach you something does not improve your game?

Hmmm... I thought you were smarter than that.

With that said... that is a GREAT round out there Adam. Take Jordan with you next time... he might learn something... oh wait... nevermind

Actually, I do hereby coin this newfangled learning process: Discmosis.

Discmosis - the theoretical learning process where players experience subtle or gradual absorption or mingling of disc golf skills by playing with others more skilled than themselves. Note: Discmosis skeptics such as the infamous Sausage Fingers refuse to admit Discmosis is a real occurance in spite of years of concrete evidence.

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

Well according to Sam and Haggerty if you could just play your rounds with Climo then you could move straight to making birdies...

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Discmosis - the theoretical learning process where players experience subtle or gradual absorption or mingling of disc golf skills by playing with others more skilled than themselves. Note: Discmosis skeptics such as the infamous Sausage Fingers refuse to admit Discmosis is a real occurance in spite of years of concrete evidence.

Second note: A few stubborn discmosis theorists will deny that discmosis can also occur when playing amongst your peers.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Are you still trying to argue that playing with people who could potentially teach you something does not improve your game?

Hmmm... I thought you were smarter than that.

With that said... that is a GREAT round out there Adam. Take Jordan with you next time... he might learn something... oh wait... nevermind

Actually, I do hereby coin this newfangled learning process: Discmosis.

Discmosis - the theoretical learning process where players experience subtle or gradual absorption or mingling of disc golf skills by playing with others more skilled than themselves. Note: Discmosis skeptics such as the infamous Sausage Fingers refuse to admit Discmosis is a real occurance in spite of years of concrete evidence.

Great post Jeff!

While I do not deny that getting pointers from better players while playing a round helps, I cannot believe that just playing with better players will magically make your game better, anymore than sleeping on your textbook overnight will improve your test score the next day.

Sure it is enlightening when Mr. Climo throws a monster roller and pins the hole. That doesn't mean that I can throw the same roller just because I watched The Champ do so. Now if watching that throw motivates me to get out and practice my roller, then I don't see how that can be attributed to watching/playing with Mr. Climo.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Scott

Second note: A few stubborn discmosis theorists will deny that discmosis can also occur when playing amongst your peers.

For sure this is true, Scott. If you play with someone who is AS GOOD as you, you might push each other and pick things up but if one player is playing with a better player, the better player acts as a catalyst and pulls the weaker player along.

Playing with your peers might accomplish the same thing in the long run but it is a much longer run.

That this is even an argument is silly. Jordan, if you think playing with Climo will not make you a better player, I have to scratch my head and wonder why someone as smart as you doesn't get such a simple and true statement. That you try and make a caricature out of it is kind of silly, though. No one said that he is some sort of magic elixir that will make you a better player overnight.

That said, I returned to Milo yesterday for the first time since the Fling. I stepped up to normal hole 16 and pulled out my Roc. I rolled it and it went left of the big tree in the middle of the fairway. Bounced over the hole in the ground with the ferns surrounding it and kept rolling. Made a right turn and sat me down between the two pin positions. I pulled out the XD and sunk the putt for a deuce - marking the first time I have ever birdied that hole in the deep position. Watching Ken Climo do that and working on that shot elsewhere definitely improved my game - if only for that one hole on that one round.

Seriously... why is this simple concept so hard for you baggers to understand this? Is it that you WISH to remain mediocre? Have fun with that. When those around you continue to improve because they play with better players and you are still shooting sub-900 rated rounds and continuously losing as your peers get better, please try to remember this conversation.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

Now if watching that throw motivates me to get out and practice my roller, then I don't see how that can be attributed to watching/playing with Mr. Climo.

Really??? So... you see a throw that you don't otherwise see and that inspires you to practice it... that doesn't correlate for you to watching the throw in the first place? Very curious. Very wrong but also very curious.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Sam

Really??? So... you see a throw that you don't otherwise see and that inspires you to practice it... that doesn't correlate for you to watching the throw in the first place? Very curious. Very wrong but also very curious.

Wow, for an atheist this sounds very much like religious fervor to me. Beelzebub made my shot sooo much better...

No. You went and practiced. You made your shot better. Why do you insist on giving the credit to Beelzebub?

[jevon]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Are you still trying to argue that playing with people who could potentially teach you something does not improve your game?

For Jeff and Sam and all Discmosis proponents. Speaking from personal experience, playing with better players doesn't mean you get better. I've played with better players for most of my disc golf life. I have gotten better by a couple strokes maybe. The majority of my rounds for the last three years have been with guys who are rated 100 points above me(if I had a rating). PRACTICE makes you better. That is all. If you want to give credit to someone else then so be it.

[Wes Hansen]

Hey, EVERYBODY I play with is better than me. Does discmosis have an opposite?
I think the people I play with may be sucking up all my good shots. That would explain why my level stays the same and everybody I play with improves.

Studying a better player will help you learn. Getting lessons from a better player will likely help your game. PRACTICING will improve your game.

Playing with a great player does nothing unless you apply it.

Sam lost the argument with the part Jordan quoted of his.

[Sam]

LOL - because Beelzebub inspired the idea in me. Had I never watched Beelzebub, I never would have thought about throwing a Roc for a roller.

This is not a hard concept. You watch people do something that they are better at than you and you will pick up ways to become better yourself. This is not just true of golf but also knitting and walking and playing chess and a whole slew of other things.

I wonder how much of this has to do with the desire to remain a bagger rather than improve your game...

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by jevon

For Jeff and Sam and all Discmosis proponents. Speaking from personal experience, playing with better players doesn't mean you get better. I've played with better players for most of my disc golf life. I have gotten better by a couple strokes maybe. The majority of my rounds for the last three years have been with guys who are rated 100 points above me(if I had a rating). PRACTICE makes you better. That is all. If you want to give credit to someone else then so be it.

BLASPHEMER! STONE HIM! BEHEAD HIM!

["Over the Hill" Bob]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Actually, I do hereby coin this newfangled learning process: Discmosis.

Discmosis - the theoretical learning process where players experience subtle or gradual absorption or mingling of disc golf skills by playing with others more skilled than themselves. Note: Discmosis skeptics such as the infamous Sausage Fingers refuse to admit Discmosis is a real occurance in spite of years of concrete evidence.

Reverse Discmosis - the theoretical declining process where players experience subtle or gradual absorption or mingling of disc golf lack of skill by playing with others less skilled than themselves. Note: Reverse Discmosis skeptics such as the infamous BullsEye refuse to admit Reverse Discmosis is a real occurance in spite of years of concrete evidence.

Bob

[Sam]

Wow, folks... Did you really think that the argument went "Watch better players, do nothing else and then you will get better?" Really? That's what you thought Jeff and I were talking about?

My response to this is...

Please... pull the heads out of the rectums and actually consider the other side of the argument rather than trying to simply win the race at the Special Olympics that is arguing on the internet.

Seriously...

[Adam Schneider]

I think, in ALL sports, it's most helpful to play with people a little bit better than yourself. If the gap is too big, you're almost playing different games, and you can't necessarily translate the pros' techniques to your own.

[snap7times]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

Great post Jeff!

While I do not deny that getting pointers from better players while playing a round helps, I cannot believe that just playing with better players will magically make your game better, anymore than sleeping on your textbook overnight will improve your test score the next day.

Sure it is enlightening when Mr. Climo throws a monster roller and pins the hole. That doesn't mean that I can throw the same roller just because I watched The Champ do so. Now if watching that throw motivates me to get out and practice my roller, then I don't see how that can be attributed to watching/playing with Mr. Climo.

Ummm the playing with better players and sleeping on a textbook is not exactly a good example, because playing with better players is like studying and applying what you study as opposed to doing nothing and sleeping on a textbook...
Playing with better players will naturally make you adjust your form and lines to improve your game which is discmosis. Anyone who plays with much better players and dosen't improve is not studying and adjusting hard enough...
There are plenty players out there that refuse to change their form and that is their problem unfortuately....
Even the pros adjust every year, anyone see the dramatic change in Feldberg's form this year, unfortuately it isn't helping him as much as he would like...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by snap7times

Playing with better players will naturally make you adjust your form and lines to improve your game which is discmosis. Anyone who plays with much better players and dosen't improve is not studying and adjusting hard enough...

DING! DING! DING!

Winner, winner chicken dinner.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

I think, in ALL sports, it's most helpful to play with people a little bit better than yourself. If the gap is too big, you're almost playing different games, and you can't necessarily translate the pros' techniques to your own.

I agree with this to a small extent, but I still feel that by playing with people at a higher level will show you things you may have never even thought of yourself. No, you might not be able to pull off that slow, forehand putter roller around the corner during that round, but you might just try it while messing around later.

Of course, if you're playing with a more skilled player and you don't make an effort to watch and learn from them, then all bets are off anyway.

I started playing tourneys about 3 months after I started playing disc golf, and I know for a fact it helped my game tremendously.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I've played my whole disc golf career with better players. (I can't find any that are worse.) I'm still a sucky player! Could it be that Discmosis only applies to younger players?

Bob