804.05 Disqualification and Suspension

[AchimbaProphet]

I thought about this more and wish to make the following summation.

Smoking pot or drinking alcohol during a PDGA event will cause you to be disqualified from the tournament.

Non-PDGA events may or may not have an explicit rule about this.

Not having an explicit rule against said behavior does not mean one condones or encourages such behavior.

People are responsible for their own actions.

Illegal consumption is no more likely at a disc golf course than it is anywhere else.

[AchimbaProphet]

Now I have a question about policy at a PDGA event. How can it be proven that someone was consuming an illegal substance? Does someone call it? Does it have to be seconded? Is this merely conjecture about he said / they said? There is no breathalyzer around and if there was there is no way to prove that the alcohol was consumed during the round. A picture or video of someone smoking pot does not prove they were (see a certain Olympian about this one).

It seems to me that the rule is crystal clear but that it is unenforceable because the violation cannot be proven adequately. Thoughts?

[Toby Puttzinski]

Yo Detective Duty Teacher, perhaps you should watch CSI tonight and get some ideas on how to bust the bad guys playing golf....

[Scott]

Originally Posted by smobro

I started reading this but was so high I couldn't finish it. Maybe later. JK

I love you, man. Seriously, we need to golf. Soon.

[Sam]

Achimba, I like your revised position. I agree with all of it except for the last. I would say illegal consumption is probably more likely at a disc golf course than say... a monastery... or a hospital... or maybe rehab.

This rule can be enforced and has been. Two guys were thrown out of the Willamette Open 9, I believe. I encouraged the person who spoke up and don't feel bad about it. It was probably a hard lesson learned but at least one of the two guys who was thrown out is still on the scene.

Nate, I appreciate your enthusiasm for playing cop at a non-PDGA event but if you seriously threatened to harm people's property during the round if they did not stop smoking weed, you would only come off looking like an idiot.

["Over the Hill" Bob]

I love it when we can have a good discussion. So how would you handle a situation where a player comes to you and tells you a player was drinking beer during the round? It's a PDGA tournament, you are an official, and only one player (the one reporting) saw the infraction.

Bob

[jevon]

Originally Posted by "Over the Hill" Bob

I love it when we can have a good discussion. So how would you handle a situation where a player comes to you and tells you a player was drinking beer during the round? It's a PDGA tournament, you are an official, and only one player (the one reporting) saw the infraction.

Bob

I would assume you would do the same thing you would do if only one person saw a foot fault. Not being a PDGA member or tournament player I don't know what that is though...

[Ol' Bob]

I'm waiting for someone to play a round with their prescription pinned to their shirt, allowing them to cope, as it were, with with the issues of the rulings.

[jevon]

If memory serves me correctly (stop laughing), being a card carrying member does not give you the right to openly toke wherever and whenever you please. You are supposed to "take your medicine" at home, not in the middle of a park. You can still get pulled over and ticketed if you are driving stoned, or smoking in public.

[Ol' Bob]

Sadly, I'm allergic to cannabis, but I see that brownies would be the golfer's delivery device.

[NWDiscer]

Originally Posted by jevon

I would assume you would do the same thing you would do if only one person saw a foot fault. Not being a PDGA member or tournament player I don't know what that is though...

Foot Fault's only need to be seen by 2 members of the group and then they call and 2nd it be4 the next throw by any1 else in said group.

[Leftybagger]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

Foot Fault's only need to be seen by 2 members of the group and then they call and 2nd it be4 the next throw by any1 else in said group.

Close, but not quite...

803.04 Stance, Subsequent to
Teeing Off

F. A stance violation must be clearly
called within three seconds after the
infraction to be valid. The call may
be made by any member of the group
or an official. When the call is made
by a member of the group, it must
subsequently be confirmed by another
member of the group. A player shall
receive a warning for the fi rst violation
of a stance rule in the round.

[jevon]

Originally Posted by NWDiscer

Foot Fault's only need to be seen by 2 members of the group and then they call and 2nd it be4 the next throw by any1 else in said group.

Bob's original question asked "what if only one person sees it" though.

[Leftybagger]

Originally Posted by jevon

Bob's original question asked "what if only one person sees it" though.

Depends on the person! An official or the TD can make that call alone.

[snap7times]

Originally Posted by Sam

Nate, I appreciate your enthusiasm for playing cop at a non-PDGA event but if you seriously threatened to harm people's property during the round if they did not stop smoking weed, you would only come off looking like an idiot.

Not like I didn't give them a choice, and what if I park the shot? And they would have to hand me the stuff first so if they do and I throw it and they get pissed off, I just claim "2nd language misunderstanding"...
But really, I think I laid on the "sarcasm" a little thick showing I wouldn't do that, but would love to anyways, just to say I did it...
Point is, if they ask or go ahead without asking and I ask them to stop and they go ahead with it anyways, then that is just disrespectful and what happens next is always a mystery...

[LJ Jubner]

If only one sees it then he still says something seconded or not Then after the hole on the way to the next tee have a little discussion about the rule in question. It less confrontational for sure. As a TD if someone comes to me and has a complaint about someone else ( within the scope of the game) I will purposely speak to them about said issue not to embarass them but to settle the discussion.

[zippyboy]

I guess if I felt REALLY disturbed by somebody doing something "illegal" on a course during a PDGA round, I have a cell phone that has a camera. Need anymore proof than that?

Not that I can ever imagine having to resort to such a tactic, but, I suppose it is possible...

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Sausage Fingers

I DQ'd a guy at the RCO that went out onto the highway to retrieve his disc after I expressly mentioned I would do so in the players meeting before the round. DON'T MAKE ME DQ YOU!

And rightly so! He's still sore about it and told me recently that he won't play the RCO if it's at Trojan again!

[Sam]

Because he can't help himself and HAS to go in the street that weekend - even if someone tells him not to? Is he sore at himself for breaking the simple rules that Jordan laid out for us?

I know it must suck to get DQ'd from a tournament but come on... get over it already and don't break the rules next time.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Sam

Because he can't help himself and HAS to go in the street that weekend - even if someone tells him not to? Is he sore at himself for breaking the simple rules that Jordan laid out for us?

I know it must suck to get DQ'd from a tournament but come on... get over it already and don't break the rules next time.

I meant "rightly so" he was DQ'ed. The way I heard it from people in his group was that even they told him not to do it, but he did it anyway. Personally, I loved playing the RCO at Trojan and am looking forward to it this year. Plus, I birdied that hole twice!