Oregon State Championships

[KenGilmore]

Originally Posted by Flatroc

I think it should be at a course that offers little to no "home chain" advantage.
Centrally located would be nice too.
All personal and biased opinions put aside, perhaps the new Jerry Miller course. It is sort of in the middle of the state and probably won't get played by a majority of golfers.

Unfortunately, there is no such thing as a course with no "home chain" advantage except for temporary courses that exist solely for a given tournament.

Also, having the tournament in the middle of the state favors the middle of the state. That is why the most fair approach is to distribute the unfairness out as evenly as possible... by using different courses in different locations every year. This allows us to have different clubs/regions host the state championships every year (kinda like a mini worlds).

This also solves another unfairness problem... even courses as AWESOME as Milo East and West provide a very specific type of challenge that favors certain types of players over others. By moving around to different courses, you distribute the type of player/challenge that is favored.

I personally favor the notion of using at least two courses, each maybe providing a different type of challenge (e.g. short and technical versus long and open).

I would suggest that clubs/regions/etc put out bids for hosting the state championships every year and that a selection process is used to determine where the state championships are held in a given year. I also feel that this is an area where the state coordinator should be involved and could add a lot of value to Oregon disc golf.

[Sam]

I like Ken. He's smart.

[snap7times]

The Jerry Miller DG course @ Camp Taloali should have the 18 permenant holes ready for public use next spring, however it would probably be better for tournament play by late sept, early october of 2009. Plus a temporary 18 can be put up on the other part of the camp to have 2 full 18's, completely the opposite of eachother as for style etc. That is already our plan for special tournaments and this could be one of them. I'm not nominating the course, just speaking what we have planned. Plans are meant to be changed.... However, anyone can look at the course(s) this october at our work party.... i will post most of the details of that on odsa...

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by proto something or other

I think this used to be called the "Oregon Overalls" or something similar. I have a t-shirt lying around here somewhere...

I believe the last incarnation of this event was in 2000 or 1999.

I would be VERY interested in getting info/speaking to individuals involved in previous Overall event in Oregon.
I'll check with WFDF and see if there is any sanctioning history...

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by KenGilmore

by using different courses in different locations every year. This allows us to have different clubs/regions host the state championships every year (kinda like a mini worlds).



I would suggest that clubs/regions/etc put out bids for hosting the state championships every year and that a selection process is used to determine where the state championships are held in a given year. I also feel that this is an area where the state coordinator should be involved and could add a lot of value to Oregon disc golf.

A Topic to be continued at my NEXT "Discussion" sessions at the WOX.

IF anyone feels like showing up....

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by all2common

Now that sounds awesome! Although I must admit my ignorance and say that I'm not real clear on how match play works or how it's different than how tournaments are play now.

Match Play is played similar to skins BUT there are NO "carry overs".
You either win a point or not.
VERY competitive......

[Micah]

I nominate timber linn tourney addition as the best spot to name the OSDGC. No home field advantage, evenly distributed forehand, backhand, right handed, left handed. Semi centrally located (population wise). Wistler's would be my second choice. Sanctioning to me adds great value, I would love to see the Oregon state championships sanctioned but I am also happy letting Jerry keep the name and keep putting on tournaments at Timber he has a great following in Portland, just not most of the competitive pro golfers, or golfers in the rest of the state. We could just use a different name, maybe the State Championships.

[proto something or other]

Originally Posted by Magilla

I would be VERY interested in getting info/speaking to individuals involved in previous Overall event in Oregon.
I'll check with WFDF and see if there is any sanctioning history...

Mike:

I am pretty sure (85% or so) that Bruce Sisson was involved. I think Embree may have had a hand in it as well. I think Bruce would be the best place to start.

[Flatroc]

Originally Posted by Magilla

I would be VERY interested in getting info/speaking to individuals involved in previous Overall event in Oregon.
I'll check with WFDF and see if there is any sanctioning history...

Mike,
I know there was one in 1992 that Miller, Van Bibber and the old PDX crew hosted. It was held mostly at Timber and distance was at some school in the area.
I know Bruce was there because I remember watching him saving his butt on an MTA catch.
Call Jerry and pick his brain.
Heck maybe even open up some doors.

[Flatroc]

I have a frisbee that says 1992 State Flying Disc Championships with the words Sanctioned By U.S. Disc Sports underneath.
There is also a plate which says 1992 "Oregon State Championships" Accuracy Pro Division 2nd Place. (Clubby showed his wiley vet status and whooped me in a playoff for 1st )

[Scott]

It seems that anyone could get hot on a given weekend and be crowned a state champion, even though they may not be thought of as the best player in the state. A state champion should demonstrate sustained excellence. What about somehow tying the state championships with the Oregon series? In my mind, the O.S. points leader at the end of the season is the real champion. At least under our current system.

[Flatroc]

Originally Posted by Scott

It seems that anyone could get hot on a given weekend and be crowned a state champion, even though they may not be thought of as the best player in the state. A state champion should demonstrate sustained excellence. What about somehow tying the state championships with the Oregon series? In my mind, the O.S. points leader at the end of the season is the real champion. At least under our current system.

Scott, this is nothing personal against you or the ORS.
I don't think it would be fair to the golfers in K-Falls, Coos Bay, or even the remote town of Remote if this were to happen.
It seems with the "qualifiers" getting first crack at ORS events, the field would only consist of the "elite" group that is starting to form.
Stand away from the "tee box " for a bit and imagine how many potential state champ golfers are out there that either don't know or care about the ORS. (again nothing personal).
I think it should be wide open to ANY DISC GOLFER in the state.
IMO it would get boring to compete against the same ol same ol's again and again and again.
One idea might be to have it a one day event (ams one day, pros the next).
This way you could get more golfers to attend.

[Sam]

I agree with FlatRoc about this, actually. I think we need an event separate from all series and open to all vendors. Of course, I think it should be sanctioned...

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by Flatroc

Scott, this is nothing personal against you or the ORS.
I don't think it would be fair to the golfers in K-Falls, Coos Bay, or even the remote town of Remote if this were to happen.
It seems with the "qualifiers" getting first crack at ORS events, the field would only consist of the "elite" group that is starting to form.
Stand away from the "tee box " for a bit and imagine how many potential state champ golfers are out there that either don't know or care about the ORS. (again nothing personal).
I think it should be wide open to ANY DISC GOLFER in the state.
IMO it would get boring to compete against the same ol same ol's again and again and again.
One idea might be to have it a one day event (ams one day, pros the next).
This way you could get more golfers to attend.

Whatever the "NAME" is...............the "State Championships" will be seperate from the Oregon Series. WHY should Series play be mandatory to win a State Championship, that would NOT be fair to those in the far regions that are not able to travel as much.

I have NO DESIRE to "steal" Jerry's event, as he has been running his version of the State Championships for a while now. (Even though in past yrs it was scheduled when the TOP players were out of state )
It would be NICE, if he were to agree to allow it to happen as the "Oregon State Disc Golf Championships".
He could STILL do the Merch. for the AMS.....That would not be an issue...


I would prefer it to be PDGA Sanctioned, but then again, thats what I do.....

[Sam]

Why don't you give him a call, Mike? He might be reasonable with you. Don't mention me.

Personally, if he is not willing to give up the name, I think we should simply take it. That might not be the nicest way of going about this but I think the event has been underdone for far too long now.

[proto something or other]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why don't you give him a call, Mike? He might be reasonable with you. Don't mention me.

Personally, if he is not willing to give up the name, I think we should simply take it. That might not be the nicest way of going about this but I think the event has been underdone for far too long now.

Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!

That's a prime opportunity to lose the moral high ground, right there. Even though I agree with your assessment of the problem that forces some solution, I don't think I agree with your solution.

I am hopeful that there could be some solution short of taking the name without blessings from those that have used the name in the past. Hopeful. If not, I think the players would see what was missing (in the underdone event) and begin the clamoring for a new, better version. Hopefully.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by proto something or other

Danger! Danger, Will Robinson!

That's a prime opportunity to lose the moral high ground, right there. Even though I agree with your assessment of the problem that forces some solution, I don't think I agree with your solution.

I am hopeful that there could be some solution short of taking the name without blessings from those that have used the name in the past. Hopeful. If not, I think the players would see what was missing (in the underdone event) and begin the clamoring for a new, better version. Hopefully.

I think it has been a few years since Jerry has run this event AND the last time I attended one of his events he told everyone there that he was done TDing events. With that said, I still think anyone attempting to resurrect the OR State Championships should probably talk to him out of respect.

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I think it has been a few years since Jerry has run this event..............
With that said, I still think anyone attempting to resurrect the OR State Championships should probably talk to him out of respect.

Exactly..........

[Magilla]

Originally Posted by Sam

Why don't you give him a call, Mike? He might be reasonable with you. Don't mention me.

Personally, if he is not willing to give up the name, I think we should simply take it. That might not be the nicest way of going about this but I think the event has been underdone for far too long now.

WHEN I decide to pursue this I will call Jerry myself......

WE will NOT just take it.......WE may have to "creatively" name it, but lets hope not.

.....discuss.....

[Sean Phillips]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I think it has been a few years since Jerry has run this event AND the last time I attended one of his events he told everyone there that he was done TDing events. With that said, I still think anyone attempting to resurrect the OR State Championships should probably talk to him out of respect.

Jerry has ran it for the last 3 years in a row. I don't think he has plans for this year yet. He has an ongoing pro division trophy that had the winner engraved into it, the first person to have the name engraved into the trophy X amount of times gets to keep the trophy. It was a pretty bad ass trophy.