Is this totally bogus? - DG Equipment

Scott · #1 March 26th, 2009, 01:21 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/red-CE-Firebird-FL-panther-sta...3286.m20.l1116

Dude claims this is a CE Firebird FL with a Panther stamp and that only two exist.

First of all - did they even make a CE FL? I thought the FL was a relative newer invention, after they discontined CE.

Second - A panther stamp? What makes this dude think it's a Firebird if it has a panther stamp? Looks like a panther to me. Are there any know instances where the wrong stamp was put on a disc (and that disc was released)?

Magilla · #2 March 26th, 2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott

http://cgi.ebay.com/red-CE-Firebird-FL-panther-sta...3286.m20.l1116

Dude claims this is a CE Firebird FL with a Panther stamp and that only two exist.

First of all - did they even make a CE FL? I thought the FL was a relative newer invention, after they discontined CE.

Second - A panther stamp? What makes this dude think it's a Firebird if it has a panther stamp? Looks like a panther to me. Are there any know instances where the wrong stamp was put on a disc (and that disc was released)?

YES, it has been known to happen

I have 4 Roc's - each with different stamps..
Stingray, Viper, Shark & PANTHER

They work GREAT for those people who watch what YOU throw...

"Was that a Stingray? How come mine didnt fly like yours?"

Cant be too sure about THIS disc being CE though......
Looking at the Guys feedback, shows that he MIGHT just have what he says...

I DOUBT that he has the ONLY 2...No WAY for him to verify that.

If he has one AND his buddy had 1, chances are that there are more of them out there.

ChainBanger · #3 March 26th, 2009, 02:03 PM

They definitely made ce fl firebirds. I think the first runs were all FL. I think my dark red 178 CE FL Firebird is a first run. They made FL firebirds, f firebirds, and fx firebirds all in CE.

proto something or other · #4 March 26th, 2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChainBanger

They definitely made ce fl firebirds. I think the first runs were all FL.

True fact. They were awesome, too.

NWDiscer · #5 March 26th, 2009, 07:48 PM

It does appear to be the right shade of RED.

I have bought discs from him off of ebay.
I had no problems.

oh yea i have a fl but it is a firebird stamp........dang

ChUcK · #6 March 26th, 2009, 08:14 PM

I think I may have a rare beauty here at home... I begged Lat 64 for quite a bit, and they finally stamped me an Opto Riot with the Gripline Spike stamp on it. It very well could be the only one in existence.

Leftybagger · #7 March 26th, 2009, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ChainBanger

They definitely made ce fl firebirds. I think the first runs were all FL. I think my dark red 178 CE FL Firebird is a first run. They made FL firebirds, f firebirds, and fx firebirds all in CE.

Not quite true. I have 5 1st run CE firebirds. I have 2 that are flat top FX first run CE firebirds!! Both rainbow stamps against that blood red disc!!

Hmmm... Maybe I am too much of a collector.. NAH!!!!!

DoubleDees · #8 March 28th, 2009, 12:30 PM

I got a 2/25 Proto Glo Pheonix... who knows how many of these are left?

TreeLove · #9 March 28th, 2009, 12:43 PM

When Firebirds came out, they were FL molds, but they did not call it that, they just called it F, since there was no other mold to differentiate from. Then they made a modified mold, more overstable, with a lip on the edge, and called it FX. Then they began to mark the original mold discs with FL to show the difference. Today, Firebirds are back to just F, but they are FX molds. Also, you can still get FLs, but only in glow CFR plastic.

I love the FL mold, it will actually fly straight, while still being overstable. The FX mold is great for thumbers and tommies. The Champion Edition Firebird (F) is the ONE disc that I actually hoard - I have several of them, NOT FOR SALE, GIFT, OR TRADE!

Oh, also I ain't lettin' go of my last heavy CE Leopard, either... (a lightly used backup to my everyday thrower, and the last remaining CE in my bag

)

DoubleDees · #10 March 28th, 2009, 01:13 PM

the original CE coming from the factory were FL.

We can back to the very first CE ones that were coming out almost transparent Red and Blue. Those were Gazelles and I think it was Leopards. Those discs had the small innova star on the center. The first CE firebird were the dark "candy" red ones with either yellow/black/rainbow/white hot stamps. These discs all clearly had FL on the bottom. Later on the started releasing the F and FX edition of the CE firebird. These versions came in more colors than just red.

Bullseye Disc Golf.com · #11 April 2nd, 2009, 01:10 AM

Jeez that's confusing...

I have a CE Firebird FX that feels like Pro plastic. Flies much more flippy than a stock Champion Firebird. I have not tried a new Star FL. How would a brand new Star FL compare with the older CE Firebird variations?

Jester · #12 April 2nd, 2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

When Firebirds came out, they were FL molds, but they did not call it that, they just called it F, since there was no other mold to differentiate from. Then they made a modified mold, more overstable, with a lip on the edge, and called it FX. Then they began to mark the original mold discs with FL to show the difference. Today, Firebirds are back to just F, but they are FX molds. Also, you can still get FLs, but only in glow CFR plastic.

I love the FL mold, it will actually fly straight, while still being overstable. The FX mold is great for thumbers and tommies. The Champion Edition Firebird (F) is the ONE disc that I actually hoard - I have several of them, NOT FOR SALE, GIFT, OR TRADE!

Oh, also I ain't lettin' go of my last heavy CE Leopard, either... (a lightly used backup to my everyday thrower, and the last remaining CE in my bag

)

Treelove has this spot on......

The Star FLs I have seen are no where near as flat as the 1st run CE FLs (stamped F but FL mold) I have.