Ninkasi Toss - C Tier - Sunday June 5th (LCC DGC fundraiser)

[bryan_luoma]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

The course will be set up in tournament positions by Friday and we're trying our hardest to get the city to mow in the next week.



That was done by myself and the artist at Ninkasi, Tony. And thanks!

Smasher is calling you out Luoma! Where's our Corvallis contigent!?

Sounds awesome! I'm there. See ya on Sunday morning.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

a great question! and to answer, here is the complete layout!

Hole 1 SHORT This is a change to help with flow on the course. perhaps in the future
Hole 2 (reg)
Hole 3 (reg)
Hole 4 RIGHT (ob marsh and path, drop zone yes) Another change. The marsh is DEADLY right now, and I'd rather have people yanking their shots right than shorting them left.
Hole 5 SHORT (OB, WATER AND BEYOND!) Change. There IS water in the gully right now, and in and across will be ob. The shot is shorter now, which hopefully means more controlled shots with less ob.
Hole 6 long (OB, WATER AND BEYOND, no drop zone) OB Change. Since there IS water in the gully, we will use it as ob. Remember, your disc must be fully across the water, or fully surrounded/submerged by water to be ob.
Hole 7 (long (new pin position)) **If there is no mow, this will be moved back short**
Hole 8 double long (will be considered a par 4, ob right of creek) **If there is no mow, this will be moved short left**
Hole 9 center short (ob path, drop zone no, re tee with stroke if you never cross the path)
Hole 10 left (ob path, same as above)
Hole 11 short (path and left ob) **no triple mandatory**
Hole 12 short
Hole 13 left
Hole 14 long
Hole 15 left in cove
Hole 16 left (no ob)
Hole 17 reg
Hole 18 long (no ob, this will be considered a par 4, hole 1 is moved short so there will be no conflicting fairways)

The course will play as a par 56 if we get a mow. If not, then hole 8 will be short and it will play as a par 55.
any other questions?

All good changes that ought to make the rounds go faster. I personally appreciate playing a course during a tournament in the same configurations I play it the rest of the time. In other words - yay for no rope or triple mando!

Hole 8 in the super long will play faster if the group sends a spotter, and the water is also OB, I believe.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

All good changes that ought to make the rounds go faster. I personally appreciate playing a course during a tournament in the same configurations I play it the rest of the time. In other words - yay for no rope or triple mando!

Hole 8 in the super long will play faster if the group sends a spotter, and the water is also OB, I believe.

I agree. After playing the course a lot this weekend, I think those are good changes. I'd also like to second Matt's suggestion about spotters.. I'd really recommend spotters on 6 long (if you throw into the creek back there finding a disc can take a while), 8 double long (for the nasty creek and extreme bramble rough), and 12 short (blind shot).

Also, how about switching 11 to the long? Not that I'm advocating for the triple mando (which I don't like either), but even with the path being OB, at ~180ft. that hole in the short is borderline par 2 even at the blue level.

[Dr. Zaius]

Originally Posted by jeverett

I agree. After playing the course a lot this weekend, I think those are good changes. I'd also like to second Matt's suggestion about spotters.. I'd really recommend spotters on 6 long (if you throw into the creek back there finding a disc can take a while), 8 double long (for the nasty creek and extreme bramble rough), and 12 short (blind shot).

Also, how about switching 11 to the long? Not that I'm advocating for the triple mando (which I don't like either), but even with the path being OB, at ~180ft. that hole in the short is borderline par 2 even at the blue level.

Par 2? How many par 2 birdies have you had on the hole? If the answer is more than 1 than I'll change it.

I like the idea of giving everyone a chance at an ace. And with that said, there is nothing wrong with having a "must get" birdie in the mix. If you know you are going to two it than what's the big deal?

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Par 2? How many par 2 birdies have you had on the hole? If the answer is more than 1 than I'll change it.

I like the idea of giving everyone a chance at an ace. And with that said, there is nothing wrong with having a "must get" birdie in the mix. If you know you are going to two it than what's the big deal?

Hi Dr. Zaius,

*laugh* I wasn't really suggesting the hole should be a par 2. I'm still technically at zero aces there.. *another* Buzzz shot blasted through the chains on it this weekend, though. My putting lately has been terrible, though.. so no guarantees on a 2, regardless.

The par 2 thing comes from the PDGA guidelines.. at the blue level, a flat-elevation, lightly-wooded hole under 200ft. should be redesigned (rather than being a par 2), as it likely doesn't spread out the scoring distribution enough (by design, the goal is to have fewer than 70% of (Open) players score the same on a hole). Hole 11 short is roughly 185ft., with a slight uphill and a fair amount of OB.. thus kinda borderline. But I also don't think a hole needs to be short to give that "must get" feeling. Hole 1 short, for example.. that's a hole that feels like a "must get" birdie without being so short as to produce little scoring spread.

Meh, I'm rambling.. just ignore me.. Hole 11 short is ok. I'm looking forward to the weekend!

[TreeLove]

A par 2 cannot exist, since par (by definition) always gives you two putts to hole out.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by TreeLove

A par 2 cannot exist, since par (by definition) always gives you two putts to hole out.

Well, yes and no.. technically, the PDGA actually tried par 2 holes at the 2001-2002 Worlds, if my source is correct. The eventual verdict was that par 2 holes were not received well, resulting in the guideline that any hole that based on length (rather than intended number of drives before reaching putting range) *should* be a par 2 should instead be redesigned. So there *can* be holes that are too short and easy to be a par 3 for the intended difficulty (i.e. red, white, blue, gold), which in this respect *could* be called par 2.. but really the ultimate answer is no, there's (currently) no such thing as a par 2 hole, there's just poorly designed par 3 holes that fail to produce the desired score distribution, and thus need redesigning.

For reference, you can see from the PDGA par guidelines that par 2 holes (marked in pink) are indeed on there.. with the recommendation to not use them:

www.pdga.com/files/documents/ParGuidelines.pdf

[TreeLove]

Cool, thanks, as I said.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by jeverett

Hi Dr. Zaius,

*laugh* I wasn't really suggesting the hole should be a par 2. I'm still technically at zero aces there.. *another* Buzzz shot blasted through the chains on it this weekend, though. My putting lately has been terrible, though.. so no guarantees on a 2, regardless.

The par 2 thing comes from the PDGA guidelines.. at the blue level, a flat-elevation, lightly-wooded hole under 200ft. should be redesigned (rather than being a par 2), as it likely doesn't spread out the scoring distribution enough (by design, the goal is to have fewer than 70% of (Open) players score the same on a hole). Hole 11 short is roughly 185ft., with a slight uphill and a fair amount of OB.. thus kinda borderline. But I also don't think a hole needs to be short to give that "must get" feeling. Hole 1 short, for example.. that's a hole that feels like a "must get" birdie without being so short as to produce little scoring spread.

Meh, I'm rambling.. just ignore me.. Hole 11 short is ok. I'm looking forward to the weekend!

Sounds like a great opportunity for someone with an interest and aptitude in math (I'm looking at you jeverett) to analyze the scoring spread on the holes at CG after this tournament.

[jeverett]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

Sounds like a great opportunity for someone with an interest and aptitude in math (I'm looking at you jeverett) to analyze the scoring spread on the holes at CG after this tournament.

Hi Matt,

*laugh* If there's interest, I'd be happy to run some numbers after the event. I'd just need access to all of the scores per hole, by division.

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by jeverett

Hi Matt,

*laugh* If there's interest, I'd be happy to run some numbers after the event. I'd just need access to all of the scores per hole, by division.

Awesome, I'm sure we can get the scorecards or copies to you afterwards. Since there is talk of redsigning some of the holes there I think it's important info to have. In fact, it's good to have these numbers for all courses and layouts.

[Dr. Zaius]

Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)

[907miller]

anybody from portland want to carpool??

[chainsmasher]

Originally Posted by Dr. Zaius

Ninkasi Toss is Sold Out

The remaining 7 people that signed up today will be uploaded to the pdga website tonight. There will be NO wait list so if you want to play you should head out to the grove between 8 and 9 am to see if anyone does not show.

THANK YOU FOR SELLING OUT A C TIER IN THE WILLAMETTE VALLEY PEOPLE!!! (or should i say addicts)

Nice!! Good work on filling this thing up. The weather should be most excellent this weekend...should make for some pretty hot rounds

[chainsmasher]

Nice job on your first sanctioned tourney Wilbur! Couldn't have went much smoother; extra thanks to Ninkasi for that super tasty keg of Radiant and to all those who donated for the epic elevated ring of fire. Shout out to Ryan Yokam...super hot shootin' for your first PDGA tourney!! Representin' 97420! Now about those dang yellow bands................

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by Matt B.

Awesome, I'm sure we can get the scorecards or copies to you afterwards. Since there is talk of redsigning some of the holes there I think it's important info to have. In fact, it's good to have these numbers for all courses and layouts.

Hey - I forgot to see if you could get the scorecards - did you? If not, Wilbur do you still have them?

[Matt B.]

Originally Posted by chainsmasher

Nice job on your first sanctioned tourney Wilbur! Couldn't have went much smoother; extra thanks to Ninkasi for that super tasty keg of Radiant and to all those who donated for the epic elevated ring of fire. Shout out to Ryan Yokam...super hot shootin' for your first PDGA tourney!! Representin' 97420! Now about those dang yellow bands................

Great tournament! Thanks to Will Larson, his wife Kathy, and the other volunteers. Thanks to the EDGC and the LCC disc golf club, Tom Chrestman and the other course keepers.

One day sanctioned tournaments are great!

[Huk'nGeiks]

Awesome tourney! Thanks to everyone who made it possible.

Originally Posted by Matt B.

One day sanctioned tournaments are great!

Absolutely agree! I'd be down for more of these for sure

[Dr. Zaius]

Whoa. The smoke is clearing and my head is now deflating.

Thank you to everyone who came out, helped, played, drank, smiled, and made this event seriously amazing. I tried to explain during the morning announcements that tournaments really come down to the hard work and time put in by volunteering, and this was nothing short of a perfect example of that.

I want to shout out a few names:
LCC crew- Cloud Pemble, Warren Hollinshead, Daniel Rodriguez, Dallas Steely, Dan Schmidt, Who'd I forget? Ya'll stepped up and got sh*t done. Thank you. WE RAISED NEARLY $1000!!! What!?
EDGC Crew- Ralph, Gene, Reba, Mike Higgins, Everyone else. Couldn't have done this without you. Literally would have been impossible.
TOM CHRESTMAN- Your course kicks ass and looks BETTER THAN EVER RIGHT NOW! It's PIMPIN'! Thanks for all of your hard work (and congrats on finally cashing on your own course)

There are others! My wife, my friend Julie, Leland Odriscoll (donated his winnings), Yose, Mike Ward, others that donated, spotters, camera people, Ninkasi, disc golf gods...

When it was all said and done:
LCC: Raised nearly $1000
EDGC: Raised over $100 (t-shirts)
1 Keg: done got dranken
Prizes: Plenty of them and all given away
Aces: Devin Cordell hole 10 (He donated the cash)
Ass kickings: Devin Cordell (Set a tourney course record with a 44)

Congrats to all the winners:
Devin Cordell
Suzie Jones
Buck Smith
Mike Ward
Ryan Yokum
Holly Dewitt
Craig Neilson
Bob Gussford
Jory Mitchel

THANK YOU AND SEE YOU AGAIN SOON!!!

Wow. Ok. It's over. Beer me.