Downriver: more and more disappointing with every change.

[psychodwarf]

Anyway, I will probably lend a hand at the work party, assuming all permanent projects have been approved by Bressler.

Speaking on that justin Bressler and I will be walking DR sometime this week and so far the talk Bressler and I had today he was QUITE happy with what has been going on at DR but he MADE a suggestion that "we just move the holes that have problems and if we make some club members mad so what" ..THOSE WERE HIS WORDS .. i told him to come down and walk the course and then HE can decide if what I have done is wrong.As for the this comment

Although, this whole discussion leads me to wonder how you heard my comments in person yet Joe did not...

i had nothing bad to say to you then nor do i now .. i heard your comments i just choose to be an adult and not respond to such a childish act .

[jshrack]

Sweet!
I am glad you got Bressler to look over the changes!

I will also quit bitching and adopt your 'who cares who gets mad' approach... sounds like this is officially the Board perspective!
New motto: If it makes the course better...


Now, you called me out for not expressing myself in person... insulted ME and questioned my integrity... yet you heard every word I had to say. Odd...

[Lyounger]

I guess I really don't understand what all the confusion and fuss is about here...

This is my recollection:

Several years ago the SDGA was responding to evergrowing safety concerns due to the crossing fairways. In addition, the city expressed concerns about erosion and path beat down.

The overwhelming opinion of the club at that time was a complete redesign. However, we were towards the end of the season and didn't want to make major changes without getting as much input as possible.

Some (immediate) minor changes were proposed to address the major safety and environmental concerns and a call went out for redesign ideas that could be implemented early the following spring.

These two agendas got convoluted and confused with one another. A polarity began that I don't believe was founded.

The board was new and had growing pains. The communication and progress stalled. Members were not keeping up with deadlines for input to either design and felt left out when decisions were made. The whole thing turned into a cluster and the only result was some temporary changes to try to address the safety and erosion issues.

It's well expressed that these changes have diluted the course and very few are even remotely happy about them.

Soooooooo....NOW is the perfect time to start gathering input for a total course redesign for DownRiver. The club and Board can set deadlines for proposals in phases so they can be reviewed and narrowed down to the best possible layout to be voted on by the club members and installed early next spring.

This time those of you who felt so left out will have another opportunity to be heard and be able to vote for the features you like best. You will just have to pay attention to the deadlines for input and the dates for voting on layouts.

It is very possible to do this in a democratic manner with consideration going to the city's requirements. The club has worked out some of it's communication difficulties and I believe this project could be very successful. We would end up with a challenging course, endorsed by the majority of clubmembers and compliant with the city's requirements.

Heck, it might even bring the club together in a stronger way with more casual/rec players joining so they could provide input and more mutual respect amongst all the members.

I definitely will do everything I can to make it to the next SDGA meeting and bring this up as a topic for discussion.

Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!

[Sky Pilot]

To whomever it may concern,

Unauthorized work at Downriver needs to stop. This includes branch or rock piling, cutting trees, painting asphalt and the like. At Taylor's request, golfers should not be contacting him - No one outside of the Board except Justin Shrack has been asked to talk to him - and that was only about the Grant from the Park Foundation.

The SDGA Board working under the City Parks Operation Manager is the structure we operate under. I've had a very fruitful relationship with Taylor and have been the primary contact person and will continue to do that until further notice. If anyone wants to know what has been fruitful about that they can call me and we'll talk.

Sky Pilot

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by organic

Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!

I would also agree with that. Although those tree's and branches saved a terrible skip into the water yesterday. I for one, just hope that everyone decides to get along and make Downriver great again. As it is, all this bickering between club members on a public, online forum is terrible. What a way to make people look at us Spokanites in a less than pleasant way.

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by organic

Downriver is beginning to be a joke! I wonder who put all those trees and branches on the bank of hole 8? I threw my disc down there today and was lucky to not come out with a twisted or broken ankle! Safety should be the first concern!

Did you take a penalty stroke for throwing over the edge. That area is out of bounds.

[LJ Jubner]

Nice post Younger!
You seem to have a firm grip on the subject. The cause/effect of poor or inconsistent communications and the clubs opportunity for growth.

One positive thing I can say about the club is: members are given many opportunities to participate
but
fail to recognize that deadlines are the most critical part of the process, there is no half credit for missing the deadline.

I would like to suggest (as a club member) a general meeting is called for sometime in late June early July. This meeting would be a winter pre-planner. I mean ideas would be floated/discussed and then vetted for consideration at the winter meeting.

Action: If club member has an interest with any club issues they should submit a two or three paragraph note for the Summer meeting's agenda. Then the board can round up all the ideas sort them by perceived need and allot time accordingly for there discussion.

Problem: Suggestions and attendance are both critical!

Want to know why things are the way they are?

It's because by default/member apathy the same 4-8 members are the only ones participating throughout the process.

jub

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Nice post Younger!
You seem to have a firm grip on the subject. The cause/effect of poor or inconsistent communications and the clubs opportunity for growth.

One positive thing I can say about the club is: members are given many opportunities to participate
but
fail to recognize that deadlines are the most critical part of the process, there is no half credit for missing the deadline.

I would like to suggest (as a club member) a general meeting is called for sometime in late June early July. This meeting would be a winter pre-planner. I mean ideas would be floated/discussed and then vetted for consideration at the winter meeting.

Action: If club member has an interest with any club issues they should submit a two or three paragraph note for the Summer meeting's agenda. Then the board can round up all the ideas sort them by perceived need and allot time accordingly for there discussion.

Problem: Suggestions and attendance are both critical!

Want to know why things are the way they are?

It's because by default/member apathy the same 4-8 members are the only ones participating throughout the process.

jub

additional thought

By publishing the agenda as well as who suggested them Like minders could intern combine all their efforts into one presentation. Saving both time and frustration

That's funny cause that's never been played that way in any tournament I've ever played!

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by organic

That's funny cause that's never been played that way in any tournament I've ever played!

You are correct and I miss spoke earlier concerning out of bounds there.

At present it is not OB, but it will be OB at the LCO this year.

The area in question may be under consideration for OB status due to the erosion that takes place every time someone throws down there.

[cefire]

Originally Posted by jshrack

Sweet!
I am glad you got Bressler to look over the changes!

I will also quit bitching and adopt your 'who cares who gets mad' approach... sounds like this is officially the Board perspective!
New motto: If it makes the course better...


Now, you called me out for not expressing myself in person... insulted ME and questioned my integrity... yet you heard every word I had to say. Odd...

Sounds to me like y'all got a new board member for next term!

[Whippetbrown]

Its been a while since I been on here, looks to be the same type of stuff going on in the forum, sorta comical always good for a laugh. Have fun I'm going to throw.