Smoke Free? - Page 3 - PDGA

Ol' Bob · #41 April 14th, 2011, 09:10 AM

We are not free to poison each other. Poison ourselves, maybe. Do you want to be the one who gets to name the poisons and determine the parts per million/billion levels? I think the science is there, and you no longer have that option.

Freedom to do what you want with no other considerations simply cannot work. The tobacco lobby doesn't like that. Good luck to your lungs when you're my age. You can be happy, or not, for the industry you helped enrich.

I remember when I was in the navy on a diesel submarine with 80 other guys, all lit up, all the time. We would smoke when the air was so depleted of oxygen and loaded with carbon dioxide that fire would only smolder and could not flame. The only way to light up was to use the electric (car type) cigarette lighter in the Control Room, or get a touch off another's burning butt. When we couldn't light a match or a Zippo, we still had to keep getting our fix.

When we were outside the "three mile limit," (and tax free) the good folks at the tobacco companies made their product available to us of the GI persuasion at 50 cents a carton. They knew where to invest.

sillybizz · #42 April 14th, 2011, 10:04 AM

Surely people can wait 2 hours to smoke. You're not going to die if you don't get your precious nicotine in that time.

emmarose · #43 April 14th, 2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TYVEK

no, not well done at all. its more like SHAME ON YOU PDGA!!!!! banning usage of illegal substances is totally understandable, but not legal substances. whats next your going to tell me that we have to use a certain hair gel or we all have to use deoderant??!!

just one more nail in the coffin of america's so called freedom.

you think ball players should be able to smoke during their games as well?

TreeLove · #44 April 14th, 2011, 10:24 AM

Some PGA ball golfers DO smoke during PDGA tournament rounds, or at least they did fairly recently. They tend not to show it on TV, but it happens.

Ol' Bob · #45 April 14th, 2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

Some PDGA ball golfers DO smoke during PDGA tournament rounds, or at least they did fairly recently. They tend not to show it on TV, but it happens.

You meant "PGA," right?

TYVEK · #46 April 14th, 2011, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by emmarose

you think ball players should be able to smoke during their games as well?

i think that if any of the ball players (baseball,football,soccer, am i forgeting any?) had the time to smoke, then i would say that they should be allowed to do so. the catch is that they usually dont have the time, except on the bench.

if you were talking about regular golf, then yes they should and they do as was previously posted.

TreeLove · #47 April 14th, 2011, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Bob

You meant "PGA," right?

Oops, yep.

TreeLove · #48 April 14th, 2011, 11:16 AM

IIRC, the reason so many MLB baseball players chew tobacco is because smoking tobacco is against the rules, or else they would be smoking.

Sam · #49 April 14th, 2011, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

That is the case at Orchard Park in Hillsboro. We enforce this rule during Tuesday Twos - a lot of players are not particularly happy about that.

FYI - this is why I will not be attending any Tuesday Twos events this year. When HPD pulls their heads out of their asses, I will return to this course. Until then, I will play at the big boy courses where babysitters are not needed...

Sam · #50 April 14th, 2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by emmarose

you think ball players should be able to smoke during their games as well?

They do. Pedro Guerrero used to smoke cigarettes in the dugout.

Lyounger · #51 April 14th, 2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChUcK

They might, I don't know what her personal habits are.

By choosing to go somewhere with prior knowledge that cigarettes will be smoked by peers, and then whining about it afterward, it becomes apparent that metacognition may not be Leslie's strong suit. Therefore, I stuck my nose in (probably unnecessarily) and offered a new view to consider.

LOL

Thanks Chuck

Dan, separate cigarette smoke from littering. That is a whole different can of worms. You're right, though, butts on the ground make my blood boil- just no more so than any other piece of trash I see on the ground.

BTW, I definitely seperate cigarette smoking from littering. I also do not consider cigarrette smoking or cigarrette smokers repulsive. Those were not my words or my intended meaning.

Just trying to have an "intelligent" dialog around an obviously sensitive subject in order to possibly surface some compromises...especially since it appears this may be handled with broad strokes in the future.

emmarose · #52 April 14th, 2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TYVEK

i think that if any of the ball players (baseball,football,soccer, am i forgeting any?) had the time to smoke, then i would say that they should be allowed to do so. the catch is that they usually dont have the time, except on the bench.

if you were talking about regular golf, then yes they should and they do as was previously posted.

hmmm. interesting, indeed.

JMan · #53 April 14th, 2011, 01:33 PM

Leslie and I were in a group a few years ago and I stayed on the right side of the wind and we had no worries. It's about respect, on both sides...but make no mistake, I smoke like a freaking chimney. I don't need the permission of my group provided I am curtious, and I refuse to apologize for paying more in taxes than other Americans. Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American; if you ask me to stop I question your commitment to this great nation.

So Sam, let's get together for a Tuesday evening round....

TreeLove · #54 April 14th, 2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Leslie and I were in a group a few years ago and I stayed on the right side of the wind and we had no worries. It's about respect, on both sides...but make no mistake, I smoke like a freaking chimney. I don't need the permission of my group provided I am curtious, and I refuse to apologize for paying more in taxes than other Americans. Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American; if you ask me to stop I question your commitment to this great nation.

So Sam, let's get together for a Tuesday evening round....

Would it be in bad taste if I termed that post idiotic?

Dick statement: "I don't need the permission of my group..." You may not NEED it, but you SHOULD ask for it!

Bonehead statement: "Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American"
a) What is a good American? Is there such a thing? And if so, smoking helps declare it?

I smoked in Leslie's group too, and the only thing that made me was a douche bag. An unhealthy douche bag. Just like when I smoked in 'Ol Bob's group. And all those others whose groups I smoked in.

Stimpi · #55 April 14th, 2011, 01:54 PM

With Medical Marijuana Laws expanding all over the country, the arguement of "legality" will soon be moot. What other reasons would we ban "substances" from events?
At a B-tier, many years ago, the TD brought up the "no alcohol or drug use" policy, stating it was a form of "artificial stress relief".
Half-way through the round, this same TD came up to my group, asking to bum a cigarette. I expressed my surprise at him being a smoker and he replied, "Only when I'm really stressed out."
He didn't appreciate my reminding him about his "artificial stress relief" speech.
Cigs OK, joints or beers not. Hmmmmm.

Ol' Bob · #56 April 14th, 2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Leslie and I were in a group a few years ago and I stayed on the right side of the wind and we had no worries. It's about respect, on both sides...but make no mistake, I smoke like a freaking chimney. I don't need the permission of my group provided I am curtious, and I refuse to apologize for paying more in taxes than other Americans. Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American; if you ask me to stop I question your commitment to this great nation.

So Sam, let's get together for a Tuesday evening round....

I guess the urge is unjustified or presumptuous, but some of us would like to keep guys like you around a little longer, if not just smelling better. It's just that you're one of the good ones.

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Standing at the JMan's grave: "If only he'd educated his thinking..."

Ol' Bob · #57 April 14th, 2011, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stimpi

With Medical Marijuana Laws expanding all over the country, the arguement of "legality" will soon be moot. .

I don't want to see any diabetics firing up their insulin during a round. No one else is using that crutch.

JMan · #58 April 14th, 2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeLove

Would it be in bad taste if I termed that post idiotic?

Dick statement: "I don't need the permission of my group..." You may not NEED it, but you SHOULD ask for it!

Bonehead statement: "Smoking is one way I declare myself a good American"
a) What is a good American? Is there such a thing? And if so, smoking helps declare it?

I smoked in Leslie's group too, and the only thing that made me was a douche bag. An unhealthy douche bag. Just like when I smoked in 'Ol Bob's group. And all those others whose groups I smoked in.

Oh TL, your sense of humor has left the building...sad that as we age things fall away...hey wait, you're younger than I...bummer dude...

Ol' Bob · #59 April 14th, 2011, 03:06 PM

If Gawain sez yer a dick and a bonehead... Well, itz gotta be true. Too bad he turned out to be a douche bag.

General Scales · #60 April 14th, 2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stimpi

With Medical Marijuana Laws expanding all over the country, the arguement of "legality" will soon be moot. What other reasons would we ban "substances" from events?
At a B-tier, many years ago, the TD brought up the "no alcohol or drug use" policy, stating it was a form of "artificial stress relief".
Half-way through the round, this same TD came up to my group, asking to bum a cigarette. I expressed my surprise at him being a smoker and he replied, "Only when I'm really stressed out."
He didn't appreciate my reminding him about his "artificial stress relief" speech.
Cigs OK, joints or beers not. Hmmmmm.

You know, you'd think that people in a tournament would want people to smoke pot and drink beer as much as possible. That way they have slowed reaction times and other such things. I know, for one, that if somebody in my group wants to get trashed, I'll let them. That way I can be assured that I don't finish dead last.

Anything to get ahead...