Missing Basket - Leverich Park

Wog · #1 February 25th, 2009, 09:21 PM

Reward for stolen basket from Leverich Park! Discraft Chainstar with orange decal on the center post. Contact Vancouver/Clark Parks and Rec or VCDG.org with information.

dan · #2 February 25th, 2009, 10:33 PM

Arrrrrg. That stinks! Which hole?

Adam Schneider · #3 February 26th, 2009, 05:43 PM

Was it stolen before Tuesday the 24th? Could this be it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300296205350

If you sign into eBay, you can see that it was purchased from the seller (in Troutdale, OR!) on Feb-24-09 at 14:47:42 PST.

"Pretty new condition but comes without the inground sleeve"?!?!?! And the second photo has been HEAVILY photoshopped, which is also suspicious.

Tim · #4 February 26th, 2009, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Out with the old in with the new. We are upgrading our course and selling all the old baskets. Pretty new condition but comes without the inground sleeve as we are using the bottom half for the new baskets. Comes as pictured in the right; shipping to lower 48 states only. Message me on ebay with any questions.

selling old baskets? that are in pristine condition? i have lots of profanity i could spew about this, but i'll try to keep it contained.

looks like a college kid...his other sales are textbooks. i wish he was selling some cheaper items, wouldn't mind having a name/address to associate with this douchenozzle.

all2common · #5 February 26th, 2009, 06:04 PM

Good sleuthing...if you find an address let me know. I'd like to practice my putts.

Adam Schneider · #6 February 26th, 2009, 06:06 PM

It was hardly "sleuthing." I typed "Discraft Chainstar" into eBay's search form and it came right up. ALWAYS the first place you should check for stolen stuff.

NWDiscer · #7 February 26th, 2009, 06:07 PM

The auction has ENDED.........

Adam Schneider · #8 February 26th, 2009, 06:10 PM

Yeah, it ended on Tuesday when some poor schmuck bought the stolen basket.

Adam Schneider · #9 February 26th, 2009, 06:27 PM

Hmm. Now I'm not as convinced this is indeed the stolen Leverich basket. Because eBay item #300292738389 is an identical (but still suspicious-looking) listing that ended on the 21st -- and we know no baskets were missing from Leverich last weekend.

Any other courses missing two or more Chainstars?

I sent the seller an innocent question via eBay's system....

Wog · #10 February 26th, 2009, 07:12 PM

I sent a not so innocent question using eBay's system...

Dear 1234ohio4321,

To whom it may concern,

The disc golf basket that you are selling looks very much like the basket stolen from Leverich Park earlier this week. If the basket is returned I will encourage the Parks Department not to press charges against you. Your explanation that you are upgrading your course does not make sense. Why would you sell a perfectly good basket that is new in order to upgrade your course? What course is this you are upgrading?

Please do the right thing and return the basket immediately. If you need someone to pick up the basket and return it, I can make arrangements for someone to pick it up from any location in the Portland metro area.

Steve Carson
Founder of Vancouver/Clark Disc Golf
President Stumptown Disc Golf

Wog · #11 February 26th, 2009, 07:38 PM

Response from ebay...

Dear eBay Member,

Thank you for reporting this item.

If you see an item on eBay that you think may be stolen, please contact
law enforcement immediately. Tell the police officer handling the case
that we will be pleased to cooperate in the investigation.

Please forward this message to the officer and ask him or her to contact
us as follows:

1. Go to:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index_selection.html

2. Select "Listing Violations," and then click the "Continue" button.
3. Select "Stolen property," select "You are a law enforcement
official," and then click the "Continue" button.
4. Click the "Email us" link.

Thanks again for your report.

Sincerely,

eBay Customer Support

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Item Numbers(s):
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Message: This item was most likely stolen from Leverich Park Disc Golf
course this week. Police notified.

Wog · #12 February 26th, 2009, 11:31 PM

Reply back...

Dear wog-steve,

This account is old, i live in iowa. Look at my listings they were listed before last week when you said they were stolen.

- 1234ohio4321

Wog · #13 February 26th, 2009, 11:32 PM

My response...

Dear 1234ohio4321,

To whom it may concern,

I'm sorry, I don't buy your explanation. First, I don't believe anyone would sell a like new Chainstar basket for under $250 and it doesn't make sense to replace like new Chainstar baskets for some other basket at a course.

Your claim to not be from Oregon will be proven or found out when ebay provides for your seller history information to the police department. I hope for your sake you are telling the truth.

I don't understand your argument about the date of the sales. You could easily have posted the auction and then acquired the basket after the close of the auction. The dates are too close and the description of the baskets too similar for us not to investigate.

Thank you for responding,

Steve

- wog-steve

Adam Schneider · #14 February 27th, 2009, 01:20 AM

Item location: Troutdale, OR, United States

Ol' Bob · #15 February 27th, 2009, 09:39 AM

The second photoshopped picture has two people's shadows and the shoes of the person holding the basket have been removed. The marked lines on the basket pole show it to be essentially brand new. I'll be expecting to see the perps eventually show up on The World's Stupidest Criminals.

jevon · #16 February 27th, 2009, 10:06 AM

Maybe all baskets should be engraved somewhere on them so in a case like this the authorities could be told where to look for the "branding". If it was small and inconspicuous the thief's wouldn't even notice it.

Ol' Bob · #17 February 27th, 2009, 10:13 AM

Good idea.

If number and letter punches are used to ID the baskets and poles, even if the numbers were completely ground off, they could still be read using acid, as the imprint goes deeply into the grain of the steel.

Adam Schneider · #18 February 27th, 2009, 03:43 PM

"Branding" baskets is a VERY good idea.

Steve, have you contacted Vancouver Police? FYI, I also got the "no, I'm in Iowa" line -- surprised they even bothered writing back.

Wog · #19 February 28th, 2009, 10:54 AM

The police department has been notified. They have added Leverich Park basket thieves to their list of other criminal activity to watch out for in the park after dark. I am also in the process of branding all the baskets with the VCDG initials. At least once in a very conspicuous location. In the future all baskets will be branded in a couple locations, some hidden and some visible.

Ol' Bob · #20 February 28th, 2009, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wog

...in the process of branding all the baskets...

This is happening at Mud too.