Not a big fan of the new layout...

[Esatchel Bantastic]

i dont really understand why it has been changed in this way. i know that there are plans in the works and somethings still need to change. i wish that we could play the old 21 hole course again cuz that was course that i played on for the first time and i have been playing for 14 years now. the out of bounds on hole 2 and 17 is just rediculous. having it in the middle of the fairway of 2, its not really beginner friendly ya know.

[jshrack]

You are not the first to make any of these points; nor will you be the last.
If you think the current OB is bad you definitely haven't seen the proposed plans.
I guess none of us really have...

The Board seems to have made a clear decision though.

[Parks]

The nice thing about OB is that if you think its too challenging, then you are always free to ignore it in casual rounds.

Regardless if you play OB or not, I would suggest always waiting for people to finish putting out on 17 before driving on 2, and waiting for people to clear 2's fairway before driving on 17 for both courtesy and safety.

[General Scales]

I have no problem with the OB. So long as it's understood that big arms are going to try that Hyzer right over 17. That's a little spooky to me

[Sean Johnson]

Originally Posted by General Scales

I have no problem with the OB. So long as it's understood that big arms are going to try that Hyzer right over 17. That's a little spooky to me

/\/\/\/\This. I'm not a cannon arm, but I still think that this the far and away the best route. I know as long as I can get past the tree before it hyzers out, I'll be in bounds with a clear shot at the basket. I never throw when anyone is on 17, but I wouldn't throw on them even if I were taking a different route (still a chance of turning it over towards their basket). As long as the people throwing on two are courteous and safe, then hopefully no one will take one in the head.

[Wobbly Bob]

The backstop tree behind Hole #17's basket will be a Mando on Hole 2 and you will have to throw on the left side of it or take a stroke and drop at the tree.

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

The backstop tree behind Hole #17's basket will be a Mando on Hole 2 and you will have to throw on the left side of it or take a stroke and drop at the tree.

So instead of having a two route with risk and reward, we have effectively taken the preferred route away and made it a drop?

I know it's probably for safety sakes but really? How about we just put the clowns mouth hole back into effect as well?

I figure if you leave it the way it is with the understanding that players who throw while players on 17 are in putting range will take a one or two stroke penalty and be forced to re-tee without question. That way you keep it safe for everyone involved with out eliminating the preferred route. Now it's a side arm dream or a hopeful rhbh hyzer flip.

[Stimpi]

Oh, yeah... thanks for reminding me about the Clown's Mouth. hahahahahaha

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by Stimpi

Oh, yeah... thanks for reminding me about the Clown's Mouth. hahahahahaha

I'd really like to forget that hole but I'm afraid of clown's...and their holes

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by General Scales

So instead of having a two route with risk and reward, we have effectively taken the preferred route away and made it a drop?

I know it's probably for safety sakes but really? How about we just put the clowns mouth hole back into effect as well?

I figure if you leave it the way it is with the understanding that players who throw while players on 17 are in putting range will take a one or two stroke penalty and be forced to re-tee without question. That way you keep it safe for everyone involved with out eliminating the preferred route. Now it's a side arm dream or a hopeful rhbh hyzer flip.

There's an easy shot there, if you throw an Epic or a thumber.

The hole was designed with the tree being a Mando from the very beginning, the peninsula with the OB was my addition to the hole for the tournament.

I gained a few strokes on Gordy one year thanks to the clowns mouth.

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

There's an easy shot there, if you throw an Epic or a thumber.

The hole was designed with the tree being a Mando from the very beginning, the peninsula with the OB was my addition to the hole for the tournament.

I gained a few strokes on Gordy one year thanks to the clowns mouth.

Um, didn't the PDGA make the Epic illegal this year for any tournament play? Just thought I'd throw that out there since they don't conform to any disc standards. Which means, do we have to have bag check at the beginning so people know? I can't remember where I read that though. Where's Chuck when you need him to chime in?

As for the OB issue, it really doesn't bother me. I throw my Stalker straight down the frickin middle. Hopefully I don't overshoot into the ob though. I heard it's including the road this year? It's just fun to throw the big Hyzer. Usually leaves you parked.

[Parks]

Originally Posted by General Scales

Um, didn't the PDGA make the Epic illegal this year for any tournament play? Just thought I'd throw that out there since they don't conform to any disc standards. Which means, do we have to have bag check at the beginning so people know? I can't remember where I read that though. Where's Chuck when you need him to chime in?

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGA_approved_discs_032111.pdf

The Epic is still on the approved discs list, so its still tournament legal right now.

It doesn't meet the current disc standards, but it is grandfathered in.

I suspect it will remain legal until pros start winning A+ tiers with it (sooooo, never).

[edit]Chuck beat me to it in the rules discussion.[/edit]

[jshrack]

I find the proximity of the OB to the basket is very suspect and extremely difficult to see from a distance.
18ft is not much of a landing zone, felt really good about 3 drives Wednesday and 2 of them stuck OB while dropping in my 'confident ring' (~25ft.)

I don't really mind a P3 on the scorecard... yet, couldn't you extend the rope to include the road inbounds? Seems like the road is a safe landing for anyone who throws 275-350 and wants to keep tourney clear of the 'water' hazard in play. Without the road you leave a 15ft fairway to the left and a 10ft fairway to the right, surrounded and separated by OB.

If nothing else... are there plans to vertically extend the OB lines and make them visible?!?

Having clear signage around the perimeter and a clear starting point for the line will really enhance the players ability to play the hole correctly.

Painting the lines so they don't move, putting up signs (especially the mando,) clearing up the line for the OB water hazard. All these things will reduce confusion and mis-played holes during the tourney.

Bob, if you need help, you know my number.
I will be happy to stop by and grab orange marking paint and I have bamboo rods I am willing to contribute as well.

[jshrack]

Bob, I painted (with marking paint) the OB line that was still in place and placed a few elevated markers at your anchors.

I also pulled the line tight on the back side and placed markers where I remembered the line being set... it was loose on the ground when I arrived.
I did NOT paint this part of the OB on the ground though, I figured you should have the right to authorize the location before it was painted.
Please check out the markers I put up and do as you wish.
I have another can of marking paint to get it painted before Doubles if you want.

Call me

[Yoduh]

The hole in question is ridiculous and I hope we never play it again. I would like to see 17's basket moved farther to the right and se 18's teepad moved farther to the left into the trees by the stick pile for safety.. Hole 11 needs to be put back on the road before somebody dies!!!! That is so dangerous! Before if you were on 11 (14) discs were coming towards you from in front of you and only generally experienced players could hit you. Now Discs fly at your head from behind and if the thrower can toss 100 feet they could split your head open.. it's gonna happen!

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by Yoduh

The hole in question is ridiculous and I hope we never play it again. I would like to see 17's basket moved farther to the right and se 18's teepad moved farther to the left into the trees by the stick pile for safety.. Hole 11 needs to be put back on the road before somebody dies!!!! That is so dangerous! Before if you were on 11 (14) discs were coming towards you from in front of you and only generally experienced players could hit you. Now Discs fly at your head from behind and if the thrower can toss 100 feet they could split your head open.. it's gonna happen!

I'd agree with you on hole 11. Last round, we are on hole one 1. Putting out. Cody Miller is at the edge of the circle lining up his putt and Lefty Tom is standing behind him as his caddie. Somebody off 11 throws a meat hook sidearm. No four, no hollers. The disc hit a tree 2 feet behind his head. If it had missed the tree, Tom wouldn't of gotten up quick. I think we could eliminate this if we made the left hand side tree next to 11 a mando at least. Takes my preferred route away but it's some sort of solution to a the potential danger.

[Wobbly Bob]

I have installed a prototype measure on hole #16 to see if your disc is out ten meters or not. The end of the cable is 32' 10" (ten meters according to the PDGA book) from the center of the pole.

Check it out and post your input here.

[jshrack]

Every change I have seen at that course (last 18 months) has watered down the course AND made things more dangerous.

I really don't understand why our club is letting our top level course focus be recreational golf... It would be nice to have a course that pushes the pros harder rather than trying to make more thumber holes.

[jshrack]

Originally Posted by psychodwarf

it is nice to know that this is how you feel ...DID any of you wonder after jeff crum took the city parks dept thru the park WHY we HAD to move some holes ?? IT was because you the players had created so MUCH erosion on hole #15 & #2 that the city said MOVE IT OR LOSE THE WHOLE PARK . As for it being more dangerous IT WAS worse with all the crosovers or should i go and get the woman who was hit in the face off of old hole #12 and had her nose broke and HAS NOT been back playing SINCE . as for pushing the pros as soon as the city lets us have peoples park to put in baskets they have another plot of land that (hopefully) will be a much better PRO course ( of course its just the pros who spend most of thier time whinning about how BAD the course is )

Jeff took the city through the park of his own will... JEFF IS NOT OUR FACILITIES COORDINATOR and shouldn't be making any decisions in place of the club, we have a club to make decisions... oh wait, we did and were overturned (by Jeff and Eric.) Should I also mention that our, safety concerned, decision maker split somebody's head open at DRO last year... on one of the holes our club 'deems' safe and refuses to consider changing. (Not meant to be a jab, just a fact)

It was not worse 18 months ago... I almost got hit with FIVE (5) discs at DRO this year. I saw at least FIVE (5) more come within 10ft of taking people out, I heard a total of two FORE calls in those 10 shanks. This is now an issue in MANY places it wasn't an issue before... especially around putting greens and tees. Maybe it was my lack of experience but I didn't notice any of this while a spectator last year.

Problem Areas: (1's green, 6's tee, 7's tee, 9's green, 11's tee, 14's green, 15's fairway, 16's tee, 17's green, and 18's tee.)
I just listed TEN holes where you constantly have to watch your back to make sure you don't catch one in the dome... this is NOT SAFE. We have added 3 of those.

Next, are the pro's the only ones complaining about the course? Well, I am not a pro... so that doesn't stick. Here are some reasons anyway:
Because it used to be a challenging environment, now the drunken groups of 8 and can easily hit you with their shanked drive from the next tee over.
Yes, it is more accessible to a recreational crowd, thus no complaints from recreational players.
I would argue that it's more dangerous and less enjoyable to a 'serious' player...

Lastly, why would we destroy a good course in hopes that Peoples Park gets approved?
Why don't we put in the effort to make a good challenging course where we already have the set-up and move on to Peoples when we actually get approval... Which I doubt will ever happen. So many golfers assume People's will happen, if they find one arrow head or historical campfire, its likely we will never be allowed to use the land.

[psychodwarf]

Every change I have seen at that course (last 18 months) has watered down the course AND made things more dangerous.

I really don't understand why our club is letting our top level course focus be recreational golf.

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didnt you get started in recreational golf ? as for the course changing ask the city why we had to move some baskets .. does the word " EROSION " come to mind ?? as for dangerous it was worse with the crossovers. I guess thats what happens when MORE people find out how much FUN disc golf is and just want to play THEY make the sport a little more frustrating because they arent as good as some people playing out there and it does become a little bit of a problem but hey all we need is MORE courses to play on .. problem solved ( i could be wrong though )