Official Announcement: CSI to split weekends

[Sean Phillips]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

So my question's are
What deductions are you willing to support? Maintenance, Series, club, national (both player and sanctioning), ace, TD?

What deductions are you not willing to support? Maintenance, Series, club national (both player and sanctioning), ace, TD?

Is an Open field Only just a glorified Ace Pot?

What are you willing to part with? like the course being pristine? no trophies?

None of these questions are black and white. Every one of them is a "how much" question. Maybe a 1-10 scale would be an accurate way to get feed back.

Back to work, I'll try to remember to answer them later.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Sean Phillips

None of these questions are black and white. Every one of them is a "how much" question. .

Exactly my point why are some ok and others not?
and
at what point does it become to much?
One thing is for sure TD compensation is in the near future.

[Discgolfingkilmers]

I do not agree with TD's getting paid for x-c-b tiers !!!!!
All the players that are at the work parties are not getting paid so why should the TD? There are other players helping out like the club members should they be paid also?
This is a problem that we are coming up against and i think we as players should END it this year.
We need to make these TD's that are going to take money for themselves make that known before we sign up and pay, not Sunday morning when we have no say to change it. We are there to golf and compete not dicker with the TD over payout.
WE AS PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE THIS!!!! STAND UP AND SAY NO MORE
Ask all TD'S before you sign up if they are taking money out to pay themselves. better yet lets make them post it in the flyer or online so we know.
Is this a standard for all inland series events?
JUB THIS STINKS and most players at your event all agreed that it is you and the way you run your event is hokey to say the least. to bad they can only complain to other players and not the guy stealing their money and setting a standard for greed and crappy payouts. The more this happens and TD's get away with it the harder it will be to change it later. WE AS PLAYERS CAN STOP THIS

MAY 14TH & 15TH STEILY EVENT WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MONEY FOR THE TD. Will be donating my time for the growth of disc golf in my community.

[LJ Jubner]

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[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

This is a problem that we are coming up against and i think we as players should END it this year. We need to make these TD's that are going to take money for themselves make that known before we sign up and pay, not Sunday morning when we have no say to change it. We are there to golf and compete not dicker with the TD over payout.
WE AS PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE THIS!!!! STAND UP AND SAY NO MORE
Ask all TD'S before you sign up if they are taking money out to pay themselves. better yet lets make them post it in the fl yer or online so we know.

This policy will at some point put you up against the PDGA and it's policies

Furthermore, Then the same TD's need to publish all of their books to see what and where they made money from both Open and AMATEUR. My payout was posted Sat afternoon, From that point forward if you choose not to question it it's your fault not mine

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

All the players that are at the work parties are not getting paid so why should the TD? There are other players helping out like the club members should they be paid also?
.

The chainbangerz were actually offered club membership for their volunteerism so in away they were paid + the $3 per player also went to the club.

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

This is a problem that we are coming up against and i think we as players should END it this year. We need to make these TD's that are going to take money for themselves make that known before we sign up and pay, not Sunday morning when we have no say to change it. We are there to golf and compete not dicker with the TD over payout.

WE AS PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE THIS!!!! STAND UP AND SAY NO MORE
Ask all TD'S before you sign up if they are taking money out to pay themselves. better yet lets make them post it in the flyer or online so we know.

I don't know if you remember or not Mark but I was the first one to even consider publishing my deductions now it's common place. and Yes in the future my flyers will state that as TD I will be getting an established % of the total entries collected

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

Is this a standard for all inland series events?.

Nope, but they do offer other guidelines concerning deductions and their acceptable amounts

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

MAY 14TH & 15TH STEILY EVENT WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MONEY FOR THE TD. Will be donating my time for the growth of disc golf in my community.

Well good luck finding people to do it more then once or twice and By spending the time, SeaTac current conditions benefit the same community EVERYDAY not just on Tournament weekends

[Sean Phillips]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

Exactly my point why are some ok and others not?
and
at what point does it become to much?
One thing is for sure TD compensation is in the near future.

You're doing the correct thing in my opinion. Ask for feedback, change accordingly, then let capitalism do it's thing.

[cefire]

Sorry "Mine all Mine"! I knew I would probably miss someone, but you and Jub are right (and I was thinking mainly about the Pro weekend since that is where the payout discussion went!) - I don't have "the list" of who was there at the Bangerz work party, you all know who you are!, but there were a couple who worked and played.

We do have a great dedicated (but small) group who works on the course - I just wish we had more!

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by cefire

Sorry "Mine all Mine"! I knew I would probably miss someone, but you and Jub are right (and I was thinking mainly about the Pro weekend since that is where the payout discussion went!) - I don't have "the list" of who was there at the Bangerz work party, you all know who you are!, but there were a couple who worked and played.

We do have a great dedicated (but small) group who works on the course - I just wish we had more!

It's safe to say 15 on Sat worked about 5 hrs each? 12 or so on Sunday about 4 hrs. Hey it sounds like Kilmer has some time maybe he can drive the 40 min one way to help. lol

[LJ Jubner]

First survey Am
To clarify I did not take anything from the Am weekend. the profit was $29

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by LJ Jubner

First survey Am
To clarify I did not take anything from the Am weekend. the profit was $29

here is the same form for the AM weekend

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by Discgolfingkilmers

I do not agree with TD's getting paid for x-c-b tiers !!!!!
All the players that are at the work parties are not getting paid so why should the TD? There are other players helping out like the club members should they be paid also?
This is a problem that we are coming up against and i think we as players should END it this year.
We need to make these TD's that are going to take money for themselves make that known before we sign up and pay, not Sunday morning when we have no say to change it. We are there to golf and compete not dicker with the TD over payout.
WE AS PLAYERS NEED TO CHANGE THIS!!!! STAND UP AND SAY NO MORE
Ask all TD'S before you sign up if they are taking money out to pay themselves. better yet lets make them post it in the flyer or online so we know.
Is this a standard for all inland series events?
JUB THIS STINKS and most players at your event all agreed that it is you and the way you run your event is hokey to say the least. to bad they can only complain to other players and not the guy stealing their money and setting a standard for greed and crappy payouts. The more this happens and TD's get away with it the harder it will be to change it later. WE AS PLAYERS CAN STOP THIS

MAY 14TH & 15TH STEILY EVENT WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY MONEY FOR THE TD. Will be donating my time for the growth of disc golf in my community.

Here are the TD guidelines for the INWS.

Without sponsorship a tournament is destined to fail. This seems to be the real issue concerning the Pro weekend of the CSI. Finding tournament sponsorship has become increasingly harder in the economic climate that we are living in right now. Then when you add the fact that you have to find sponsorship for two weekends in a row really creates a challenge for a TD.

If you are unhappy with a specific event you may always exercise your option to choose not to play in the tournament. Most events will fill up anyway. I personally prefer to not have whiners play in the events that I direct.

I commend you on donating your time and effort for the upcoming Steili Event, but the days of "Thanks for a great tournament." as payment for all the work that goes into directing a tournament are over. The PDGA recognizes this fact.

[Yammits]

LJ Jubner has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Okay WHAT is going on here?

I have tried on several occasions to get the details CORRECTED for me on this tournament... Jub listed me with an incorrect name AND incorrect PDGA number... not sure how or why this happened, but I have asked it to be corrected several times but to no avail... now JUB is banned from PMs? Not taking PM's... what gives here? This is his duty as a TD.

[Sausage Fingers]

Originally Posted by Yammits

LJ Jubner has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Okay WHAT is going on here?

I have tried on several occasions to get the details CORRECTED for me on this tournament... Jub listed me with an incorrect name AND incorrect PDGA number... not sure how or why this happened, but I have asked it to be corrected several times but to no avail... now JUB is banned from PMs? Not taking PM's... what gives here? This is his duty as a TD.

Forum communication is never the 'official' venue for contacting the TD of an event. Either call him directly or e-mail him directly if you need to contact him. This forum is a convenience that some TDs provide and Jub is one of those, but since he is serving a one week ban for certain comments, posting here is like standing on your porch and yelling about how your water bill is too high. Nobody but your neighbors hear your complaints...

[Scott]

Originally Posted by Yammits

LJ Jubner has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Okay WHAT is going on here?

I have tried on several occasions to get the details CORRECTED for me on this tournament... Jub listed me with an incorrect name AND incorrect PDGA number... not sure how or why this happened, but I have asked it to be corrected several times but to no avail... now JUB is banned from PMs? Not taking PM's... what gives here? This is his duty as a TD.

Jub will be able to receive your PM once his suspension is over. In the mean time, a phone call would probably work best.

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Yammits

LJ Jubner has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.

Okay WHAT is going on here?

I have tried on several occasions to get the details CORRECTED for me on this tournament... Jub listed me with an incorrect name AND incorrect PDGA number... not sure how or why this happened, but I have asked it to be corrected several times but to no avail... now JUB is banned from PMs? Not taking PM's... what gives here? This is his duty as a TD.

I resubmitted the AM weeknd paperwork, Remmeber the Offical socres are done at the National level and on thier time schedule it's not like CSI was the only event since the begining of the year so be patient. NOW!!!!

[killa]

Originally Posted by DMajor

I find the blow up scores more entertaining than the good ones for seatac tournaments. I wonder if a couple of those real high scores became intentional so the round rating would drop. I always seem to play not quite bad enough to have a round drop when I blow up.

You're on to something, Danny boy. I showed up late Sat. morning (er, kind of...), so I was penalized 8 strokes for missing 2 holes. At the end of that first round I made the tough decision that I probably hadn't played well enough to overcome the deficit and cash even if my next 2 rds were tourney-P.R.s for me at the SeaTac... so I 10-putted the last hole, making sure it would be bad enough to not affect my rating.

I've "thrown" a round intentionally one other time (withheld a scorecard... also at the 'Tac, coincidentally), but I didn't like the feeling it left me with. I felt like I was deceiving myself and trying to live in a fantasy world, and I told myself I'd never do it again on principle, despite the potential embarassment of a bad score/rating being posted online. This time around, though, it seemed more deceptive to turn in a card with 7s for the two holes I hadn't actually played; it didn't feel right that such sandbagging-by-default should affect my rating. So I bit the bullet, decided the end result of the the tourney was a lost cause, and focused on playing my best golf for rounds 2 and 3. (side note: they did indeed turn out to be my two best sanctioned rounds at SeaTac, but I would have been a few strokes shy of cashing)

I stand by my decision, and hope that my memory of this experience helps motivate me to be substantially early for future events, both in disc golf (to have more time to warm up, but also because the TD can apparently choose to start 20+ minutes earlier than what the flyer says...) and life in general.

[Scott]

Originally Posted by killa

You're on to something, Danny boy. I showed up late Sat. morning (er, kind of...), so I was penalized 8 strokes for missing 2 holes. At the end of that first round I made the tough decision that I probably hadn't played well enough to overcome the deficit and cash even if my next 2 rds were tourney-P.R.s for me at the SeaTac... so I 10-putted the last hole, making sure it would be bad enough to not affect my rating.

I've "thrown" a round intentionally one other time (withheld a scorecard... also at the 'Tac, coincidentally), but I didn't like the feeling it left me with. I felt like I was deceiving myself and trying to live in a fantasy world, and I told myself I'd never do it again on principle, despite the potential embarassment of a bad score/rating being posted online. This time around, though, it seemed more deceptive to turn in a card with 7s for the two holes I hadn't actually played; it didn't feel right that such sandbagging-by-default should affect my rating. So I bit the bullet, decided the end result of the the tourney was a lost cause, and focused on playing my best golf for rounds 2 and 3. (side note: they did indeed turn out to be my two best sanctioned rounds at SeaTac, but I would have been a few strokes shy of cashing)

I stand by my decision, and hope that my memory of this experience helps motivate me to be substantially early for future events, both in disc golf (to have more time to warm up, but also because the TD can apparently choose to start 20+ minutes earlier than what the flyer says...) and life in general.

Check out section 3.3 b (13)

[cefire]

Makes sense Killa, the reasoning seems perfectly sound to me. I'd feel kind of ashamed if I purposefully 'threw' a round but if you are late, the rating is already going to be incredibly inaccurate.

Pick on those who actually are circumventing the rules...there are plenty of them