2011 WSS Schedule

[Uhlman]

Originally Posted by psychodwarf

that is because WE on the eastside dont have ALL our courses within 70 miles of them so MAYBE you might want to change the name BECAUSE you are NOT playing in ALL of washington just the west side .. plus YOU voted to keep and make the finals (over there ) part of the qualifer. so how does this make it easier for us to make it to the WSS when it is ALL on the eastside of the state ?

And where are Walla Walla and Kennewick… Last time I checked they are on the east side of the state. This sucks that Spokane pulled out of the series. Right now I'm thinking, that a bunch of wimps and whiners live in Spokane. I live in Pendleton and I have to travel more than 30 miles if I want to play an 18-holes anywhere other than Pendleton. You don’t hear me complaining that there aren’t more tournaments closer to me. I guess that people that live in Pendleton, Walla Walla, or Kennewick are hearty people who don’t mind a little travel and adventure.

[olydiscgolf]

Originally Posted by psychodwarf

that is because WE on the eastside dont have ALL our courses within 70 miles of them so MAYBE you might want to change the name BECAUSE you are NOT playing in ALL of washington just the west side .. plus YOU voted to keep and make the finals (over there ) part of the qualifer. so how does this make it easier for us to make it to the WSS when it is ALL on the eastside of the state ?

Pulling two events from the East side makes it REALLY dificult for Eastsiders to qualify!


Did the City cup fill last year? No, no it didn't. THE major reason....It didn't count as a qualifier for the WSS. Plain and simple, you cut the need for players to play the series Championship if it doesn't do them any good in series standings.

Regardless if it means East siders need to travel one more time, making the Whinners tourney a qualifier is the right decision for the series, the tourney it self, and the players!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

With five events needed to qualify, that would require that competitors from Spokane would have to travel and stay overnight at three events. How is this easier?

Maybe not easier, but exactly the same for any Spokanite that planned to make it to finals originally.

[sillybizz]

Doing a little research I see that Western Washington has almost 6 million people compared to Eastern Washington and its 1.5 million. Also Eastern Washington has double the amount of land compared to Western Washington. Just judging my these numbers, you're going to have to do some traveling if you live over there.

[CMC206]

I'm sure I played in a couple of the series tourneys last year and I plan on making most on the list this year. Since I just started playing again after a 10 year break can someone explain the purpose of the series and what players are competing for ect. I don't understand what it's all about. Thanks

CMC

[Kenny B]

Originally Posted by CMC206

I'm sure I played in a couple of the series tourneys last year and I plan on making most on the list this year. Since I just started playing again after a 10 year break can someone explain the purpose of the series and what players are competing for ect. I don't understand what it's all about. Thanks

CMC

I know of 2 reasons.

1. Money. The series pays out extra $ for how well players do in the series events.

2. Fun. i.e. getting to play the best courses around the state with a variety of competitors.

[LJ Jubner]

The East West concept was discussed in the group and as mike said " it was decided that at least for this year it would be the whole state."

The concept of

1. each side holding events on their own side respectively "as side qualifiers"
2. either a side championship,then state championship
3. or just to States
4. Players could qualify on either side or both if they wanted
5. Have finals rotate between four regions East, N Central, West, S Central

The biggest issue was running of' events on same weekend insuring no one travels

Both LCO, the City Cup and Nuclear are all part of the INWS this year so the split has already pretty much happened. (ASC has been in the past)

Even with Spokane hosting two (ZERO miles traveled) they still need to either drive to SC WA once and then the final. Mr West side qualifies (Playes 4 times) with the same mileage as the Spokane'r uses just one way to the finals

[Uhlman]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

Doing a little research I see that Western Washington has almost 6 million people compared to Eastern Washington and its 1.5 million. Also Eastern Washington has double the amount of land compared to Western Washington. Just judging my these numbers, you're going to have to do some traveling if you live over there.

Eastern Oregon is the same way; half the people in twice the land.

[cefire]

It does seem funny with all of the consideration specifically for Spokane and obviously the central Puget Sound (here referred to as the "West Side"); but what if you live in Walla Walla or Vancouver, etc. There are just parts of the state that will inherently have a more difficult time qualifying...

I still have yet to see that enter into the discussion - will there come a day when each of these localities need a "no-traveling" series as Spokane and Puget Sound do?

I don't have the answers but the discussion seems a bit skewed IMO

[Stimpi]

When I started playing, just before the turn of the century, there were only 6 Series events over the entire state. Two at Steilly, Riverside, Terrace Creek, Lakewood, and Downriver in Spokane. If you lived anywhere but the Wetside you traveled for all but one. If you wanted to play PDGA events, that's what you did.
I'm slightly amused about the whining and complaining about having too many good events, spread all over the state, and not being able to have them all in the same series.
The Wa St Series was the benchmark for events, with the Tri-Cities holding the (highly successful) "wildcat" events. Now we've got two A Tiers in the Inland NW and enough B Tiers statewide to support TWO separate series'.
I, for one, am tickled to death with all the opportunities to compete. The Series bonuses are just that, a bonus, if I play enough of the same series.
I don't know if I can handle all this disc golf, but I won't complain.

[General Scales]

Originally Posted by Stimpi

I, for one, am tickled to death with all the opportunities to compete. The Series bonuses are just that, a bonus, if I play enough of the same series.
I don't know if I can handle all this disc golf, but I won't complain.

Well said

[SPIDER-DAN]

Im with stimpi.........i just wrote out a list of possible tournaments i want to attend over the summer and guess what? I had to choose several times between two different tournaments on the same weekend.

I find that pretty awesome that the sport is getting so big and so many more players are playing that it will end up no one is left behind. What i mean is more tournaments are being schedule no matter what is going on that particular weekend. So what if the beaver state fling or fort steilacoom open is playing on a certain weekend........not everybody is going to be able to play so why not have another tournament somewhere else so those players who didnt get to sign up for whatever reason can still play. If the lilac city open and the beaver state fling and the fort steilacoom open was played on the same weekend it is a pretty good chance that all three will have a very good turn out no matter what.

I guess i am just not concern with any kind of series.......i just like to pick and choose the individual tourneys.

Oh.......look out stimpi..........i am soooooo close in to talking my wife in to showing up for the lilac city open.....hope to see ya there!

[Gordy #21004]

For the last 4 years or so the Spokane event has contributed more to the Wa. St. Finals than any other Wa. event. In the meantime the Eastside has grown its own Inland Series and one consequence to the Wa St. Series is the decline of far Eastside participants in the Finals.
When the Wa. St. Series governing group decided to revisit having the Final also be a qualifying event this showed their bias for limiting the number of required trips east of the Cascades to one. (essentially limiting the Westside's number of over-nite trips to one). From an Eastside perspective every traveling event is an over-nite excursion with one exception.
To me it was questionable whether this turn of events necessitated our withdrawl from the Wa. Series. At this time, however, I will defer to Bob's sentiments on this subject and hope that our events will still be well-subscribed. The upside is that the Spokane events will be at least $3 per player richer than in the past. Other than that we recognize our role in the Wa. St. Series tradition and that alone was the hardest thing to let go.

[Wobbly Bob]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

Doing a little research I see that Western Washington has almost 6 million people compared to Eastern Washington and its 1.5 million. Also Eastern Washington has double the amount of land compared to Western Washington. Just judging my these numbers, you're going to have to do some traveling if you live over there.

So, is what you are saying is that the east should travel 4 times for every once the west does?

I did a little research and found out some interesting facts.

67 people qualified for the WSS in 2010 and that 12 of them were from the east side.

59 people qualified for the INWS in 2010 and that 7 of them were from the west side.

This looks like both sides of the state are about equal when it comes down to hard core, gotta play, can't miss this one competitors.

Looking at it this way one might consider a more equal distribution concerning travel.

[Cerrgurry]

Originally Posted by Gordy #21004

For the last 4 years or so the Spokane event has contributed more to the Wa. St. Finals than any other Wa. event. In the meantime the Eastside has grown its own Inland Series and one consequence to the Wa St. Series is the decline of far Eastside participants in the Finals.
When the Wa. St. Series governing group decided to revisit having the Final also be a qualifying event this showed their bias for limiting the number of required trips east of the Cascades to one. (essentially limiting the Westside's number of over-nite trips to one). From an Eastside perspective every traveling event is an over-nite excursion with one exception.
To me it was questionable whether this turn of events necessitated our withdrawl from the Wa. Series. At this time, however, I will defer to Bob's sentiments on this subject and hope that our events will still be well-subscribed. The upside is that the Spokane events will be at least $3 per player richer than in the past. Other than that we recognize our role in the Wa. St. Series tradition and that alone was the hardest thing to let go.

Lets make sure we are giving the complete story. Before the vote the "west side" had to make ONE trip east. After the vote the "west side still had to make ONE trip east since the finals is a qualifier it caused the min events to jump up to 5 (1/2+1). Of course now the east side has to make 2-3 trips west compared to the (1) before spokane pulled out.
Its a shame that Spokane made this decision after a vote that ended in a tie in a previous vote. It is the series fault for not having a plan in place for ties and I take partial blame for that.
I really am going to miss playing your course this year Gordy

Take Care

[LJ Jubner]

Originally Posted by Cerrgurry

Lets make sure we are giving the complete story. Before the vote the "west side" had to make ONE trip east. After the vote the "west side still had to make ONE trip east since the finals is a qualifier it caused the min events to jump up to 5 (1/2+1). Of course now the east side has to make 2-3 trips west compared to the (1) before Spokane pulled out.

I want to clarify something else
The term mountains is not a bench mark, it's is at best a generalization. When I used the Spokaner reference It also applies to the S Central WA Players. even if travel for you is zero for two ( and including Spokane) you still needed to drive farther once (one way) then any westsiders do to completely qualify including the finals.

Originally Posted by Cerrgurry

Its a shame that Spokane made this decision after a vote that ended in a tie in a previous vote. It is the series fault for not having a plan in place for ties and I take partial blame for that.

As part of the planning group I too will shoulder some of the blame for the shortcomings of the group. I can offer that discussions are going on their about how to make 2012 better for all concerned.

Originally Posted by Cerrgurry

I really am going to miss playing your course this year Gordy

LCO (A Tier) and City Cup are both still happening.


What is really a shame is your going to skip them just because they are not in the 2011 WA. Series

[Wobbly Bob]

I want to make it perfectly clear that I made the decision to withdraw our Spokane tournaments from the WSS. I did consult with others but ultimately it was my decision.

This decision doesn't mean that Spokane will never consider being part of the WSS in years to come. Hopefully, we can come to some arrangement to make Spokane's representation in the 2012 WSS more equitable.

Last year $1516 (47.5%) of the $3192 total that was raised for the 2010 Finals purse came from the east side of the state.

Of the 67 competitors that qualified for the 2010 WSS Finals, 12 (18%) were from the east side of the state.

We need to find a solution that will equalizes these two stats, any IDEAS out there?

[Cerrgurry]

LCO (A Tier) and City Cup are both still happening.


What is really a shame is your going to skip them just because they are not in the 2011 WA. Series[/quote]

Yes I know they are still happening but I have limited traveling funds and instead of making two trips to Spokane I am now having to make 2 trips across the mountains.
I agree you are helping working on solutions for next year...I think we are going in the right direction.
Its going to be a tough road for Eastern Washington in the future for no matter what we have a lot of travel. Seems almost that Spokane wants to be able to never leave town and still qualify and I don't know how to fix that.

I think the reason I am a bit bitter about this is I was looking forward to my trips to Spokane and it came after a rather meaningless vote.

Thanks for your input it is appreciated.

[Cerrgurry]

Originally Posted by Wobbly Bob

I want to make it perfectly clear that I made the decision to withdraw our Spokane tournaments from the WSS. I did consult with others but ultimately it was my decision.

This decision doesn't mean that Spokane will never consider being part of the WSS in years to come. Hopefully, we can come to some arrangement to make Spokane's representation in the 2012 WSS more equitable.

Last year $1516 (47.5%) of the $3192 total that was raised for the 2010 Finals purse came from the east side of the state.

Of the 67 competitors that qualified for the 2010 WSS Finals, 12 (18%) were from the east side of the state.

We need to find a solution that will equalizes these two stats, any IDEAS out there?

I wish there was a solution. I know four of us qualified from Walla Walla and we were not even a part of the series. We went in knowing we would have to travel.
It really seems like you lump eastern washington to being Spokane.
Truth is we (east side)had an equal number of events. In fact we had 4 qualifiers and they had 3 qualifiers and a series final.
It seemed until we decided to re-vote on a previous tie vote (we have no protocol for ties) you were pretty quiet.

Not once did you say hey we need to...or spokane will not be able to be in the series because....

I don't know what you were hoping to change if you did not present options to the group.

Thanks Bob for your time.

[Yoduh]

I won't play a single event this year because its in one series or another. I have qualified for the Oregon series, the Montana series, the WA series and the INWS. I play golf at events that I like to play on courses I like to play. I think people get WAY to wrapped up into "series" events. I've heard so many people listen to a description of an event I'm going to say "Wow that sounds awesome"! The very next question is "Is that part of the INWS or the WWS or the MTPS? I answer no and they say oh thats to bad, I only play in this specific series.. And I have no idea why. It's like a disease. People build this box around the series they are gonna play and that is that. The only way around it is to make one giant series. They would fill quickly though unless you ran 2 course events or ams one weekend and pros the next.. This would be a tough deal for all the TD's making a hard job even harder. There are so many golfers it seems like the way things are being done right now is the best way. If you have played in 5 of 6 of your series events and you want to play City Cup really bad than do it. Don't let the silly series that nobody remembers what happened a year later, decide how your frisbee flies through this life.