Great Northwest Open - April 16th-17th - Whistler's Bend - Page 3 - Oregon Events

Flash · #41 January 23rd, 2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by rocer180

Flash there has been a PDGA event at whistlers ran by southern Oregon golfers the last two years. They were both well ran events that everybody who wanted to get in had the same opportunity. It didn't matter if you spent your time shooting at coffie can tones in a cow pasture or on the beautiful fairways of milo shooting at innova disccatchers.

I'm not attacking anybody or there efforts. ? Is the OLE series and the GNO a part of the same series or just ran by the same people?

Flash to imply that people are sitting on their couches not doing anything and pointing out other disc golf communities in Oregon is a conceited thing to do! could alienate yourself from other golfers at future events.

Both OLE and GNO are run by the same person Tom Embree! And the reason the Great Northwest Open is written onto the hearts of Disc golfers is due to the efforts or Cris Bellinger, Teresa Trueba, Tom Embree and the Eugene Disc Golf Club.

Alienate myself from who? I pointed out the different areas of Oregon that have strong disc golf followings not that they need to get off the couch. These areas each can drive their own events at any course they want and have a strong response from any disc golfer in Oregon. Go back and reread my post. Although even in those areas I mentioned I bet 10 percent are doing 90% of the work of running events.

Its funny how you think that just because the OLE events happen in PDX, which really Trojan disc golf park is not neither is Timber that all Portland area disc golfers are getting a great chance at attending the GNO. There are many, many events, sanctioned and not-sanctioned in the Portland-Vancouver area that unless your life is only disc golf that you could not make them all. I am betting right now that only 1-2% of Portland Disc Golfers would even qualify for the 50 spot exemption.

How many people on this thread have run an event on their own? How many people on this thread even aspire to run an event on their own year after year. When you have run events as long as Teresa and Tom you kind of get to do what you want. Sure what you want may not be the most politically correct but it is what it is. They have their following of players and their event will fill. If you want to play be ready to sign up online when the bell dings!

I too would rather play Whistlers in warmer weather so I can float the river between rounds.

Jason Philips · #42 January 23rd, 2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the flogging putter

There were 4 great events at Whistler's last year GNO, WBDS, Whistlin' Disc Open, and NUI. There will be 4 more events there this year and only 1 will give preferential treatment to a certain region in Oregon.

I guess this makes the decision of which tournaments to play easier. Tournaments are not a democratic process. People choose a date, they choose a course, and then finally they set the format. The democracy comes in when you decide to play it or not. Entitlement is a b!tch is the easiest thing to say. This tournament is run by the people by organize it not the people who attend it. If 10 people register it is a statement that something is wrong. If it fills up in a day then that probably means the tournament meets the needs of many.

Jason Philips · #43 January 23rd, 2011, 03:14 PM

Also for the record I cannot make any of the events in the OLE series and I live in Portland. I am in the running for a spot just like those of you who are not making the drive to Portland.

#44 January 23rd, 2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt B.

If you're looking at me to represent the people running this tournament you're looking in the wrong place. I'm just another player who has less of a chance to get in. I personally think the decision to hold the tournament one week before another tournament, and to hold spots for OLE players is not a great decision. But I'm not under the illusion that Tom gives a crap what I think, or that I have a right to tell him what he "should" do.

I haven't told anyone to shut up, and I don't think anyone else has either. To me it's an "it is what it is" situation, and all the furor is noise. I understand it completely, but as has been stated before, the bottom line is that it's the TD's tournament.

Your right I put some shit on you which you didn't say. My bad. Sry

Wes Hansen · #45 January 23rd, 2011, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Philips

Tournaments are not a democratic process. People choose a date, they choose a course, and then finally they set the format. The democracy comes in when you decide to play it or not. This tournament is run by the people by organize it not the people who attend it. If 10 people register it is a statement that something is wrong. If it fills up in a day then that probably means the tournament meets the needs of many.

Dead on!

Any tourney that fills is a good one. And each that does is a call for someone to step up and run another. In a state as disc crazy as Oregon is, the PDGA should modify distance/tier specs to allow more events.

A June weekend with an A Tier at Milo and a B at Whistler sounds like a weekend of wonderful choices. Or an October C at Pier and another at Dabney at the same time also works. Wouldn't both events fill? I haven't looked it up, but in terms of D-C tier "level" (or above) events, aren't their at least 50-75 being run (currently as PDGA) or potentially (all those 60+ player events being run as weeklies/annuals...) right now?

In the quick decade I've been playing, this sport has BOOMED. Any decently scheduled, properly located, PDGA sanctioned, moderately well-run event will fill. If the economy was better I believe at least 100 PDGA events could be held between Eugene and Vancouver yearly. With a minimum field size of 72. Yes? No?

I think part of the "emotions" here come from the fact that, people who played in the first BSF or the first WBDS (thanks Jesse) now feel frustrated that they don't know if they will be able to play in the next event- unless they have the proper internet/friend access. I think many (me a little) feel they should have a little "better" chance of getting into a given event than some newbie (three or less years +/-) with a fast internet connection.

Blah, blah, blah...

What Jason said.

sassalicious · #46 January 24th, 2011, 11:52 PM

From Tom:

I've bee running the OLE series for 20 years. When the Series was in the Eugene area, I had people drive down from Kennewick, WA for every OLE event two years in a row. I had people driving from Portland for every event, from Albany, Salem and Coos Bay for years. People made the drive then, you can make it now. No one is being excluded from this opportunity to sign up. I'm offering an opportunity for anyone to sign up without the need for a fast internet connection. Everyone knows how fast this event fills, so you need to decide if you need to insure you have a fast internet connection, or if you want to do a little driving and play some disc golf and make sure you can claim a spot at GNO. In my opinion, this makes it MORE fair than having spots on-line only.

As of right now, only 13 people have qualified to claim a spot at GNO (not that all of them will), which means there are still plenty of spots left.

How do you guys feel about bidding for a couple spots on ebay? That sounds like a good fundraiser!

Sean Phillips · #47 January 25th, 2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sassalicious

How do you guys feel about bidding for a couple spots on ebay? That sounds like a good fundraiser!

I'm all for it.

the flogging putter · #48 January 25th, 2011, 10:39 AM

That would be a great fundraiser and it would be a sweet auction to be a part of.

Scott · #49 January 25th, 2011, 10:54 AM

I think it's a great idea for any tournament that historically fills quickly.

Flatroc · #50 January 25th, 2011, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sassalicious

From Tom:

I've bee running the OLE series for 20 years. When the Series was in the Eugene area, I had people drive down from Kennewick, WA for every OLE event two years in a row. I had people driving from Portland for every event, from Albany, Salem and Coos Bay for years. People made the drive then, you can make it now. No one is being excluded from this opportunity to sign up. I'm offering an opportunity for anyone to sign up without the need for a fast internet connection. Everyone knows how fast this event fills, so you need to decide if you need to insure you have a fast internet connection, or if you want to do a little driving and play some disc golf and make sure you can claim a spot at GNO. In my opinion, this makes it MORE fair than having spots on-line only.

As of right now, only 13 people have qualified to claim a spot at GNO (not that all of them will), which means there are still plenty of spots left.

How do you guys feel about bidding for a couple spots on ebay? That sounds like a good fundraiser!

To Tom,
Wow, 20 years! That's awesome.

It looks like "had" is a key word here.
It's too bad people have stopped attending your series after so many years.
I wonder why that is?
Geez, I'm always looking for ways to make them want to stay home so we're not too packed.

So, if anyone plays two gigs you "make sure you can claim a spot"?
That's all we have to do? Any guarantees?

Thanks!
Yose

Hayduke · #51 January 25th, 2011, 11:24 AM

I was wondering when the entry auctions would start.
I think it is a great idea. Hold the last 2 or 3 or more spots until after the event fills then auction them off on ebay. Everybody wins. More money for the tourney, and the people who win the auction are obviously willing to pay that price so they are better off too. I am interested to see how much these spots will go for.....My guess is about 120 bucks.

sassalicious · #52 January 25th, 2011, 12:41 PM

Teresa here,

I'm hearing that this feels really unfair to the southern Oregon folks, but it's not. Not any more unfair than it is to anyone else. Here is some perspective... we are not running the GNO for you, solely.

This is the Great Northwest Open. That means Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nor Cal and even Montana. If anything Southern OR golfers get a cherry of a deal. All they have to do is secure a spot, then the weekend of the event, they get to sleep in their own beds if they want, and drive a few minutes to the course before their rounds. Everyone else has to pony up gas money, find pet/child care, pay for a hotel or pack up all the camping gear, and make the trek (hey Seattle, is this a trek?). Hell, they don't even have to worry about running the event!

Some people that want to play this event are not going to get in, and I feel bad about that, like I always do, and it's never fair, no mater how the spots get filled. All of the whining now and later are not going to change that.

We are offering ALL of you an opportunity to not have to play the on-line roulette game and claim a spot. So if you want it, pull together a car pool, find a friend in Portland that you can enjoy a Friday evening or two with, and play a couple of fun rounds of disc golf on courses you don't normally get to play, and then I'll see you at GNO.

Portland disc golfers, if you want, offer your homes to your out of town disc golf friends, enjoy an evening with friends you don't get to see that often and take advantage of this convenient offer before you make the trek down to Roseburg in April.

Are you really enjoying all the worrying over this? Go play some golf and have some fun people.

OLE #4: Feb 5th, Pier Park
OLE #5: March 5th, Stub Stuart (I can't wait for this one!!)

You gotta know how much I really love this sport to deal with all this... It's so much easier to just sit on the sidelines, enjoy what's given to you, and complain when it's not just how you wanted it. All my love to all the TDs that are running events to build this sport and create an amazing disc golf community... I know not all of their voices are being heard here.

Sean Phillips · #53 January 25th, 2011, 12:42 PM

$200+

My guess

sassalicious · #54 January 25th, 2011, 12:43 PM

You all really want to see spots auctioned?

Bruce · #55 January 25th, 2011, 12:51 PM

I think it would be sweet to see spots on Ebay up for bid.

putter anonymous · #56 January 25th, 2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sassalicious

"Where is the incentive for those of us who live on the other side of the mountains? If you want to reward those with tenacity, how about the folks who actually play in snow? Just sayin!"

Yeah snow golf! Yes, we realize we are unable to reward all winter disc golf play, and that's why we are reserving most spots for on-line registration.

If you live on this side of the mountains, this might be just the motivation you were needing to get off the couch and try out some OLE disc golf!

Since I can't make the last two OLE events, but think it is a great way for you guys to raise money for the OLE. I was wondering if I could send you guys entry fees for two events and get one of those spots?

Scott · #57 January 25th, 2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sassalicious

You all really want to see spots auctioned?

I would say one or two spots at most, but yes.

Flatroc · #58 January 25th, 2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sassalicious

Teresa here,
This is the Great Northwest Open. That means Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nor Cal and even Montana. If anything Southern OR golfers get a cherry of a deal. All they have to do is secure a spot, then the weekend of the event, they get to sleep in their own beds if they want, and drive a few minutes to the course before their rounds. Everyone else has to pony up gas money, find pet/child care, pay for a hotel or pack up all the camping gear, and make the trek (hey Seattle, is this a trek?).
Actually.......
If a person from Medford traveled to PDX two times, (I didn't google it but,) I'm thinking it would be close to a 1,000 mile round trip trek.
Then they would have to : pony up for gas money, find pet/child care, pay for a hotel, or pack up the camping gear and make the trek TWO times.

To Whistlers Bend, I think Seattle is about a 750 mile round trip which is definitely a trek, but, it's a ONE time trek and these folks are ending up at Whistlers which usually makes the trek worth it.
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Sorry, but I don't see any cherry of a deal.

's Rocs

Sam · #59 January 25th, 2011, 03:57 PM

I will be attending the next two OLEs so that I can play in the GNO without worrying about getting in on the online raffle.

I would also like to extend some couch/floor space for anyone who is traveling from out of town and needs a place to crash. Let me know.

all2common · #60 January 25th, 2011, 04:11 PM

What happens if more than fifty people show up at the next two OLE events in hopes of securing a spot to the GNO?