SeaTac Hierarchy

[Adam Schneider]

I didn't think Chuck had the slightest intention of making it "easier"; it sounds like he just wants to help clean things up and remove some invasive weeds.

[ChUcK]

What Adam said. I don't want to make the Tac easier or harder, just a more pleasant place to golf.

[barbikes]

Sorry Chuck! I mis-communicated. I think it's great that you're doing course maintenance. I saw the "Seatac Schedule" thread and I think you have some good ideas there. My remarks about making the course easier weren't directed at you Chuck. They were directed at the idea of removing that brutal row of trees on 14. I can't support that idea. I feel if you play it the way Jub said then it's a good solid par four hole and I don't see anything wrong with that.

[LJ Jubner]

This is not an exact science by any means. I agree the issue on 12 is very sad. I have proposed installing chain link fence into the hole you can see through but not get through.

I seriously doubt alt tees will be in anytime soon.

I think 14 is a weird hole The basket was moved because one golfer had a birdie that Herm did not like so he moved it. It sure was harder before the trees were cut down in the first 1/3

[Tim]

My issue isn't with the row of trees...I think they're a good feature, actually. It's once you get past the row of trees that I have issues. I think know the area that Jub's talking about--that's the "higher percentage" area that I usually go for, but I use a sidearm to get there. Still it's the same story though, you could be in one spot and be golden, or be two feet to the right and have nothin'. Don't get me wrong, I love difficult holes, but I like them to have more dependence on skill than luck.

Speaking of moving the pin, I think there's a case for moving it again. It seems like every tournament I play there, there's always an issue of people's drives on 16 coming into 14's green. I know last year before Jet Wash, Heath was putting on 14 and got beaned in the head by a drive coming in hot.

Also, I think it's good that Barbikes mentioned mowing...that is definitely the most pressing issue with the course this time of year. It's great that Chuck wants to help out the course, but it kind of defeats the purpose if the course isn't reasonably playable. Are there plans in place to keep it mowed throughout the green season?

Dual tees would definitely be a huge asset to the course, as would alternate pins. What's the reason for that not happening any time soon, Jub? Funding, motivation, or Herm?

[Gill]

Originally Posted by Tim

Dual tees would definitely be a huge asset to the course, as would alternate pins. What's the reason for that not happening any time soon, Jub? Funding, motivation, or Herm?

Here's a somewhat crazy idea... why not have a "Club Meeting" and all interested participants and wanna-be club members could join for whatever nominal fee and then participate in a forum dealing with all the issues of the course: maintenance, future direction of the course, garbage collection, security, getting poop off the chains, etc.?

I know, I know, it's a bit off the wall but I would contend that all of the responses on this thread indicate that maybe there's a need for some discussion. Just a thought, don't want to stir up any trouble 3 weeks before moving to NC...

[Bullseye]

I agree completely. That course is a big huge slice of awesome, but hole 14 is the taint. Fix this one hole and I doubt I could find anything to complain about the course at Seatac.

Originally Posted by Pizzel

Here, here. I loves me some Seatac, but hole 14 is just dumb........about as dumb as a Superclass tourney.........RIPT.......Three Headed Monster.......the woods holes at Bryant Park......

[Bullseye]

I agree with you on every point except hole 14. Throwing directly at a grove of trees and praying does NOT make a good hole. There is no fairway through that middle grove, and that fact alone makes it a bad hole.

Originally Posted by barbikes

Whoa boys, Whoa!
I gotta speak up for my homeys at the 'Tac. Hole 14 is awesome as it is. Lots of us regulars would hate to see it changed in any way. When I first saw this thread and saw that ChUcK was planning on doing some maintenance I assumed that he was gonna be doing a lot of grass mowing. And I think that would be awesome but IMHO that's all SeaTac needs. I started playing the course in the spring of 2005 and I play about 75 games a year there. It's a much easier course now than it was when I started. The course used to be MUCH more overgrown. I don't think that was a bad thing The recent unauthorized tree butchery that made the course easier was really aggravating. I've disagreed with some of the authorized maintenance. I don't like the window they cut in the bush just SE of basket 12.
I realize that not everyone appreciates difficult courses. I've played 41 courses in the past five years and I liked every one of them but the ones that are memorable (Mciver, Delaveaga, Lake Casitas) seem to be the more difficult ones.
Bottom Line: Don't make SeaTac easier - Do make it MORE difficult!

[The Ombudsman]

Originally Posted by ChUcK

What's the story with SeaTac Park? Who is in control of the course?

The reason I ask is this- summer school looks like a bust this year, so I will find myself with loads of free time on my hands. I thought it might be nice to spend my mornings at the park in a constant maintenance effort.

So... I need to know who is the head honcho at this time so I can discuss various projects and possibilities of course beautification and cleanup. I have no intention of altering the play of any holes, I'm more interested in removing most of the blackberries and scotch broom from the course, and I'd like some direction by the responsible authorities.

Should I just talk to Guy? Who is the dude that installed the kick-ass "next tee->" signs before CSI? I heard rumors about a transfer of basket rights from Herm to other people... Grossman's name comes up every now and then... What's the true state of the course right now?

Oh, and if anyone even mentions the Herm Disc Golf Club (pay attention to this eye-roll, it's gonna be a good one- ) with a straight face I will scratch the entire idea and spend my days at Terrace instead.

This is a question that needs asking again. I have heard that Herm has been bought out and Chainbangers has taken over.

Well???

[sillybizz]

Originally Posted by The Ombudsman

This is a question that needs asking again. I have heard that Herm has been bought out and Chainbangers has taken over.

Well???

It's on a need to know basis and since you live in New York now you don't need to know.

[The Ombudsman]

Originally Posted by sillybizz

It's on a need to know basis and since you live in New York now you don't need to know.

Sounds just like the Seattle Disc Golf Club.
Payback is a bitch. I guess you are getting your laughs now.

Don't be a jackass, Tom. I know it's tough for you.
I have sweated a lot more blood on that course than you ever will.

[Tim]

C'mon now, it's not that need to know.

From the most recent newsletter:

Sea-tac disc golf course is currently undergoing new management. I (Keith Lionetti)am currently working with city of sea-tac and Herm to renegotiate a new contract.What this means is that I have invested some money to take on the stewardship role of the disc golf course located inside North Sea-tac Park. I am willing to make this a club run course, and in doing so I want to offer anyone interested in helping to make this course look better a chance to adopt-a-hole. This program will have a couple of options. If you have the luxury and can afford it for $200 you can get a personalized marble engraved slab with your name,your organizations name or if you want to personalize the hole with a nickname that you choose to give it. As long as it is OK with the City of Sea-tac Parks we will place this slab securly next to the tee pad of your proposed hole. If we cannot for some weird city of sea-tac parks code that we cannot negotiate or get around each of them will be displayed proudly in chainbangerz disc golf shop and on our Discovering Open Spaces website as a major contributor.If you dont have the funds but have the energy and time to invest you can help maintain that hole in exchange of paying for it. This will give you a sense of ownership to the course,and will relieve me of any personal debt.So if you have a favorite hole and want to make it dialed out within my guidelines as per city of sea-tac contractual agreement, then by all means we will encourage this.
In the coming weeks we will have a place here online to securely adopt-a-hole or you can always come in the shop to pay and discuss specifics for what you want your slab to say and what hole you want to adopt.

We (Chainbangers Disc Golf Club) will be hosting monthly c-tier sanctioned tournaments at sea-tac disc golf course to help raise funds for the club as well as for any improvements needed for that course. We should be able to launch these as soon as March.

I think this is a great step forward. Anytime in the past, whenever people have suggested any kind of change, the answer has always been "Yeah that'll happen, as soon as somebody buys Herm out." It'd always been a hypothetical, but now Keith has stepped up and made it happen. The future looks bright.

Michael, I know you've done a lot of work out there, and we're all thankful for that. Please keep in mind that although Thomas is a vocal member of the club, he's not a spokesman for the club.

Thomas, please stop making me explain this to people.

[sillybizz]

I guess I forgot a smiley in that post.

Sometimes my "humor" doesn't relate well to the internet or is it that my brain and my fingers don't mix well? Sorry, I was just giving you a hard time Michael.

[The Ombudsman]

Originally Posted by Tim

C'mon now, it's not that need to know.

From the most recent newsletter:



I think this is a great step forward. Anytime in the past, whenever people have suggested any kind of change, the answer has always been "Yeah that'll happen, as soon as somebody buys Herm out." It'd always been a hypothetical, but now Keith has stepped up and made it happen. The future looks bright.

Michael, I know you've done a lot of work out there, and we're all thankful for that. Please keep in mind that although Thomas is a vocal member of the club, he's not a spokesman for the club.

Thomas, please stop making me explain this to people.

Thanks Tim! Happy new year.

Hey Tom: instead of doing your best to try to alienate me, you should have hit me up for a donation.

[sillybizz]

Could we start over?

Originally Posted by The Ombudsman

This is a question that needs asking again. I have heard that Herm has been bought out and Chainbangers has taken over.

Well???

Yes, Keith has bought out Herm and the club is now in charge of North Seatac Park's Disc Golf Course.

[Scott]

I don't know much about the weird history of Seattle disc golf politics, so can someone clue me in as to who Herm is and why he had to be bought out before anyone could do work at the course? It wasn't his course, was it? Didn't it belong to the city of Seattle? Strange happenings up north, I tell ya.

Just curious....

[Tim]

Long story short, Herm was the guy largely responsible for getting the course installed. When he did, there were contractual arrangements made.

[captain jack]

Originally Posted by Scott

I don't know much about the weird history of Seattle disc golf politics, so can someone clue me in as to who Herm is and why he had to be bought out before anyone could do work at the course? It wasn't his course, was it? Didn't it belong to the city of Seattle? Strange happenings up north, I tell ya.

Just curious....

Well, as long as its a done deal.

Hermanson "owns" all the baskets, and he renewed the contract with the city every year.

So Keith had to buy the baskets, as well as renegotiate the contract.
Hopefully the rest of the plans can now move forward, and Seatac will go from being just challenging, to a true world class disc golf course.

[cefire]

Yeah, I'm super excited that a larger group of folks will be able to have input into this gem. The Chainbangers club is going to be doing a bit of fundraising this year to cover the up-front costs of purchasing the pins. Hopefully we'll be able to keep making this place better and better!

[cefire]

Also, I'm not sure who thinks the holes at SeaTac are tight, but y'all might need to do some more traveling because the NW is just plain lacking wooded courses.

14 is like 90% air - nothing wrong with percentages. Hit the giant window off the tee and try to land in one of the two landing zones.