Rules Question: 2 meters and unplayable lie?

[CrazyDriver]

Originally Posted by Chuck Kennedy

Except with the 2m rule, you don't have a lie until you apply the 2m rule to establish one. Then, you have a choice regarding wheter to play it where you can then apply the unplayable rule and rethrow. That is not a double penalty because you chose the unplayable when you could have played from the 2m lie without double penalty.

Wouldn't the lie be in the tree? And if I step out on that branch... Sounds like an unsafe lie to me.
I'll bet that this whole controversy is why so many TDs elect not to use the 2 meter rule. Chuck, you made me read the rules, and I think your interpretation is correct. And if I were a TD, I would not be using the 2 meter rule. Now my head hurts...

[Kenny B]

Originally Posted by CrazyDriver

Wouldn't the lie be in the tree? And if I step out on that branch... Sounds like an unsafe lie to me.
I'll bet that this whole controversy is why so many TDs elect not to use the 2 meter rule. Chuck, you made me read the rules, and I think your interpretation is correct. And if I were a TD, I would not be using the 2 meter rule. Now my head hurts...

Your lie has to be on a playing surface. Branches up in a tree are not a playing surface.

Now, when something is or is not a playing surface can be a fun conversation too. But branches in a tree definitely are not a playing surface.

[DMajor]

Originally Posted by Kenny B

But branches in a tree definitely are not a playing surface.

Unless there below 2m

[Chuck Kennedy]

Nope. Might want to read the last section for 803.07B in the Interference Rules School: http://www.pdga.com/interference-rule