Hornings Canyon hole 18 OB - Horning's Hideout

Chopper · #1 April 26th, 2010, 10:22 AM

Is the swamp considered OB? I 'm not just talking the edge, Im asking if you are in the middle between the orange flags.

We played double their yesterday. Both groups were tied going into 18 and thanks to my erant 2nd shot we bogeyed it. The other team put theier 2nd in the swamp. It was found and 3rd shot was thrown from there and they pared out for the win. I personally think the swamp should be OB and have always took a penalty there. I failed to look at the tee sign befor throwing.

Is the swamp OB?

emmarose · #2 April 26th, 2010, 10:24 AM

during the slosh out there in january the td deemed it "casual water"...

peace,
em

Adam Schneider · #3 April 26th, 2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by frizbeerose

during the slosh out there in january the td deemed it "casual water"...

...which means...?

sillybizz · #4 April 26th, 2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopper

Is the swamp OB?

I've always played it O.B. If it's not considered that it should be.

sillybizz · #5 April 26th, 2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

...which means...?

Casual water usually means it's not O.B. and you don't lose a stroke.

Adam Schneider · #6 April 26th, 2010, 10:30 AM

The problem is how to define "the swamp." In August, there's no water at all, just a green grassy patch in a sea of yellow. Even now, there are dry spots.

sillybizz · #7 April 26th, 2010, 10:38 AM

I think even dry that should be O.B. as it adds to the hole and makes that upshot more to think about.

Chopper · #8 April 26th, 2010, 11:00 AM

Swamp definition: a wetland often partially or intermittently covered with water; especially : one dominated by woody .

How can it be deemed casual water if it is designated as a swamp?

I thought casual water was considered water that is not usually there.

I agree that there is not always water there but when there is...it's supposed to be there hence the word swamp.

I'm sure this must have already been addressed at some point.

Sam · #9 April 26th, 2010, 11:13 AM

The course is generally played with this NOT being OB but I can see an argument both ways. The problem I see is that there is no clear definition as to where the OB begins and ends.

Scott · #10 April 26th, 2010, 11:55 AM

The swamp cannot be played as OB because it is not clearly defined.

Also, for purposes of a tournament, an area is only OB if the tournament director clearly states beforehand that it is.

LegoRules · #11 April 26th, 2010, 12:10 PM

For the Chick Flick dubs fundraiser on Saturday we deemed the swap to be casual water. I agree it is not clearly defined. Plus it is not really a permanent body of water soon it will be dried up, and a moot point.

Cindy

emmarose · #12 April 26th, 2010, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

...which means...?

oh, for heaven's sake... you know what that means.

Adam Schneider · #13 April 26th, 2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by frizbeerose

oh, for heaven's sake... you know what that means.

No, I didn't know what it meant, for OB purposes. I don't play in tournaments.

emmarose · #14 April 26th, 2010, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam Schneider

No, I didn't know what it meant, for OB purposes. I don't play in tournaments.

oh... my bad... thought you were being facetious...

... me, i was being facetious.

peace,
em

Chopper · #15 April 26th, 2010, 05:14 PM

Just another thought. I think it should be OB to give players incentive to stay out of the swamp. I could see some trouble there on busy days with people tromping trough the swamp and causing some possible back ups and near misses. A lot of the times a players 2nd shot is blind coming over the hill and could easily hit someone searching for a disc in the swamp.

I deserved to lose I played pretty poorly, I was just wondering how you all played it.

Also sorry for all the typos in OP I was on the way out the door and didn't proof read.

Thanks for the input.

Bob Horning · #16 April 28th, 2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott

The swamp cannot be played as OB because it is not clearly defined.

Also, for purposes of a tournament, an area is only OB if the tournament director clearly states beforehand that it is.

Scott's right, it is only marked as a swamp to warn folks of it, not to mark it out of bounds. During tournaments it is up to the TDs to make it out of bounds or not.

As far as making it an incentive to stay out of it by marking it out of bounds, I don't think folks purposefully throw into it to begin with, more of trying to make it across and failing at it.

Chopper · #17 April 28th, 2010, 07:18 PM

Bob thanks for the reply, now I know the swamp is inbounds, Thanks.

I realize that people land in swamp because they are going for the pin.

However if the swamp was designated as OB it would change the hole as far as approaches go. I just asked the question mostly because of the little orange flags that were out in the swamp.

Thanks for sharing your property with us Bob.

Hippy007 · #18 April 28th, 2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopper

Bob thanks for the reply, now I know the swamp is inbounds, Thanks.

I realize that people land in swamp because they are going for the pin.

However if the swamp was designated as OB it would change the hole as far as approaches go. I just asked the question mostly because of the little orange flags that were out in the swamp.

Thanks for sharing your property with us Bob.

The Flags where put out there so when you landed in said swap you would have something to tell you where you landed. In one spot the swamp can get a couple feet deep at high water times. Before the flags people would walk all over trying to find the disc out there. Telling where you land that far away is hard for many people with out the flags.

Hippy007