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  #41  
Old November 1st, 2008, 06:17 PM
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I like Brody's idea, too. I thought that that was a given so that people could not hide in doubles.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 08:10 PM
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Damn you got good ideas kid!

I may have to go with that idea too.

Any more?
I can't think of any more ideas but I have opinions about all the topics. I'll discuss them with you tomorrow morning.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 10:49 PM
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Seems to me just another aspect of the
game that requires strategy. Do you save the higher rated players for
the dubs rounds and risk losing the singles rounds? Do you use all of
your top rated players to make sure that you win the singles and then
hope to get the dubs match with the lower rated players?
I agree but not it's a compelling reason to not handicap doubles.

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There is no requirement to field players
in the extra dubs match, but if they are present, wouldn't playing
usually be the choice instead of not playing? The dubs team with no
matchup only has to complete 1 hole better than +4 to take the match
point.
I didn't realize that if team A can field two players and team B
couldn't (or wouldn't) then team A got a point by default. I don't
like that because if a team can only field 4 players for the day they
are automatically going to lose 2 points against a team that fields 6
or 7. This turns team golf into somewhat of an attendence contest.
We already have a bonus point for all 7 playing.

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Regardless, we are only talking about 2
out of 12 possible points coming from dubs. But I want to make the
competition as fair as possible.
So do I. That's what I'm ranting about.

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What if we adopted the Dizzy Rule on this
year's dubs? Does even that address the problem of lower rated players
playing higher rated players in dubs? Should we handicap the dubs too?
Maybe use the highest player rating. This should have been hashed out
earlier, but we haven't started yet. If you have an opinion I'd really
like to hear from you.
I think using the highest rated player's rating for handicapping is
the most fair. It encourages the partner's ratings to be as close
together as possible which eliminates the problem we've had the last
two years.

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My thinking on this year's dubs was will
the new format increase the number of players who show at each
event?
I agree. I really like the additional doubles and want it be fair to
the lower rated teams (use handicaps) and to make the
handicapping fair (use highest rated player).

Thanks for reading.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 11:09 PM
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I like Brody's idea too: all 7 players must play singles to get the bonus point. Keeps the ratings more accurate.
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Old November 15th, 2008, 07:24 PM
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Post Final Draft TDG Rules 08-09

1. Teams
1.1. Team Disc Golf 08-09 will consist of 10 teams in 2 divisions: East & West. Each team will compete in Match Play against each of the other teams in their division once and 3 of the other 5 teams once.
1.1.1. Each team must consist of 7 players. Any 7 players can make up a team, but players on the starting roster are the only ones eligible to compete for your team all year long.
1.1.2. There are no substitutes or replacement players allowed, even due to injury.
1.2. Division assignment will be determined by seeding by scores at the first event.
1.2.1. The East division champion will play the West Division champion one match for the Team Disc Golf Championship. At the same Championship match all of the other teams will play off for 3rd through 10th place finishes.
1.2.1.1. The team in each division with the most Match Points will be the division champion.
1.2.1.1.1. First Tie Breaker will be Head-to-Head Match Points.
1.2.1.1.2. Second Tie Breaker will be Total Head-to-Head strokes.
1.2.1.1.3. Third Tie Breaker will be higher Team rating total.
1.2.1.1.4. Fourth Tie Breaker will be coin flip.
2. Player Ratings
2.1. Each team member has a Player Rating. A player’s current PDGA Rating sets their beginning rating for the Team Disc Golf season. The score in the first event will adjust the rating as ((PDGA Rating*4)+New Rating)/5.
2.1.1. For any player who does not have a current PDGA player rating, the score in the first event shall set their player rating. If they are returning players, that score will be averaged with their final ratings from last year as ((Final Rating*4)+New Rating)/5.
2.1.2. Player ratings will be modified during the season based on play. All player’s singles matches will adjust their ratings for the following event.
2.1.3. When a PDGA player rating update happens, those ratings will be used at the next event replacing the modified ratings from the previous event for PDGA members.
2.2. Handicap: When a player with a higher rating plays against a player with a lower rating the higher rated player has a handicap based on the difference between the ratings during their singles match.
2.2.1. Based on the SSA of the course being played the number of rating points per stroke are determined:
SSA of 42-43 = 14 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 44-45 = 13 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 46-47 = 12 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 48-49 = 11 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 50-54 = 10 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 55-59 = 9 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 60-64 = 8 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 65-67 = 7 ratings points per stroke
SSA of 68-71 = 6 ratings points per stroke
2.2.1.1. Team 1 fields a 940 rated player while Team 2 fields a 975 rated player (975-940=35). On a course with a 50 SSA Team 2 has a 3 stroke handicap (35/10=3.5).
3. Match Play
3.1. We will follow the PDGA Rule Book for Singles and Best Shot Doubles competition with regard to actual play. If it’s in their rule book then that’s how we’ll deal with it. 804.05 A(4) is not used during Team Disc Golf.
3.2. A match consists of two rounds of four singles matches. In each round a team can use any four players on its roster.
3.2.1 Bonus Match - If, after fielding 4 players in any 1 round, a team can field two other players they can compete for an extra point by playing a doubles round.
3.2.1.1 The rating of the highest player in the Dubs is used for the handicap.
3.2.2 If the opponent cannot field two extra players, they may have 1 extra player play Cali. If the opponent has no extra players they forfeit the Bonus Match point.
3.2.3 If neither team can field the two extra players the Bonus Match point cannot be earned.
3.3. Each match will have a “Home Team” for the purposes of selecting the match-ups only; there is no other use for the “Home Team” designation.
3.3.1. In Round One the Visiting Team selects the players who will compete in the round first. Then the Home Team selects the players who compete against them.
3.3.2. In Round Two the Home Team selects the players who will compete in the round first. Then the Visiting Team selects the players who compete against them.
3.4. In both rounds the Visiting Team throws first until they lose the tee.
3.5. All tied morning matches will NOT play to a decision using sudden death. The Match Point shall be split evenly.
3.6. All afternoon matches must play to a decision using sudden death if necessary, starting on the next logical hole from where you ended the match. Do not return to central, just play on to finish it.
3.6.1. The only exception to this rule is in case of darkness. The match can be called due to darkness as a tie with the point being split evenly between the teams.
4. Scoring
4.1. Each match is worth 1 point for a total of 4 points possible per round.
4.1.1. If less than 4 players are available, you can field what you have and forfeit the match points for matches you don’t have players to compete. All forfeited matches count as 108 strokes towards any tie breaker.
4.1.1.1. In Doubles: One person can play California, picking only one shot on each hole to take a second throw.
4.2. Match Point: The team with the most points earns 1 extra point for winning the match.
4.2.1. Ties: In the event of a tie, all strokes, including handicap strokes, from the round are added up by each team and the team with the lowest number of total strokes wins the match point.
4.2.1.1. If that is tied then lower total team rating wins the match point.
4.3. GBP Team Bonus: One bonus point is awarded to any team that plays all 7 of its team members in a singles match. In other words, if your team has seven people and all seven of them play in at least one singles round during a match, your team receives one bonus point. The Team bonus point is not awarded until after the Match Point is decided.
5. Schedule:
5.1. All teams will play 7 matches over the course of the Team Disc Golf season from October to February. All teams will play their matches on the same day at the same course. The 7 courses to be used in Team Disc Golf this year are: Riverbend, Timber, Dabney, Pier, Adair, Sorosis and Trojan.
5.2. The start time for the first round starts at 9 am. In the months with shorter daylight that can be as early as 8 or 8:30 am. The start time of the second round is 1 pm allowing for a lunch break.
5.2.1. Optionally the second round can start immediately after the first round with the approval of the two team captains.
5.3. Team Disc Golf matches will be held on Sundays:
5.3.1. Prelims - Sunday October 19th: Pier Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.1.1. Match-up: All play singles to set ratings and seed divisions
5.3.2. Week 1 - Sunday November 2nd: Sorosis Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.2.1. Match-up: PT! @ DH; GBP @ WS; RR @ VT; AC @ GBS; BW @ D&D
5.3.3. Week 2 - Sunday November 16th: Riverbend @ Milo McIver State Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.3.1. Match-up: VT @ PT!; WS @ GBS; D&D @ RR; GBP @ AC; DH @ BW
5.3.4. Week 3 - Sunday November 30th: Adair County Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.4.1. Match-up: PT! @ WS; D&D @ AC; DH @ GBP; VT @ GBS; RR @ BW
5.3.5. Week 4 - Sunday December 7th: Dabney State Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.5.1. Match-up: D&D @ PT!; WS @ AC; RR @ DH; GBS @ BW; VT @ GBP
5.3.6. Week 5 - Sunday January 4th: Timber Park - 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.6.1. Match-up: PT! @ RR; BW @ WS; DH @ D&D; GBS @ GBP; AC @ VT
5.3.7. Week 6 - Sunday January 18th: Riverbend @ Milo McIver State Park - 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.7.1. Match-up: AC @ PT!; WS @ D&D; VT @ DH; GBP @ BW; GBS @ RR
5.3.8. Week 7 - Sunday February 8th: Trojan Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
5.3.8.1. Match-up: RR @ PT!; DH @ WS; D&D @ VT; BW @ AC; PT! @ GBS
5.4. The 2 teams that win their divisions will play one match to decide the Team Disc Golf Championship. The second place teams play off for third, the third place teams play off for fifth and the fourth place teams play off for seventh.
5.4.1. Championship Week - Sunday February 22nd: Championships: Riverbend @ Milo McIver State Park – 2 rounds of 18 holes
6. Late Penalty:
6.1. When start is called you may begin your round. Score each hole of the opposing team with 7’s until they arrive at the tee of a hole that no second shots have been taken.

Enjoy!
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Old December 28th, 2008, 05:45 PM
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Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
I’ll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 10:50 PM
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8:30 ?? 9:00??

ready set start????
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 11:08 PM
Sausage Fingers
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Cool See you all tomorrow!

Like it says on the TreeLove calendar when you click the link between FORUM and COURSES:
8:30 am for sign ups and 9 am tee off!

I didn't have much money for lunch but I did get dogs and buns so we got that going for us. If someone could bring some chips and/or dips we'll have something to go with the dogs.

I hope everybody had a good winter break, cause it's time to get the second half of this season of Team Disc Golf rolling!
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Hath this whole world been mired in madness?
Remain ye men of faculty complete,
Of full arithmetic and prudence fair,
Attending to our noble bond and contract?
Or does here stand the last remaining man
To give a fig for rules and order yet,
No noble savage, but a stave unbroken
Who loves the law and bids it no misdeed.
I’ll not be bent to lawlessness. Mark it nought, if we be men of honour.
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Old January 4th, 2009, 01:53 AM
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vapor trails got the chips and dip
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